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RE: definition of Web Publication

From: Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 20:04:15 +0000
To: Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com>, 'Hugh McGuire' <hugh@rebus.foundation>
CC: 'Leonard Rosenthol' <lrosenth@adobe.com>, 'AUDRAIN LUC' <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>, 'Garth Conboy' <garth@google.com>, "'Dave Cramer'" <dauwhe@gmail.com>, "'Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken'" <tsiegman@wiley.com>, 'George Kerscher' <kerscher@montana.com>, "'Avneesh Singh'" <avneesh.sg@gmail.com>, 'Laurent Le Meur' <laurent.lemeur@edrlab.org>, 'Greg Albers' <GAlbers@getty.edu>, 'W3C Publishing Working Group' <public-publ-wg@w3.org>
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This looks excellent to me.

I just want to point out that the following can be read two ways:
> The Web Publication is uniquely identifiable and presentable using Open Web Platform technologies
. . . one of which is that the Web Publication is uniquely identifiable using Open Web Platform technologies . . .
. . . and the other is that it is only saying it needs to be _presentable_ using Open Web Platform technologies.

While the intention may have been the latter, I like the former implication. Although I recognize that there are lots of identifiers available (and I view that as a good thing, they’re for different purposes), we’re talking about Web Publications so the identifier should (that is, MUST) be a URL/URI/IRI. So if you want to use a DOI, go right ahead, but you need to express it as a URL/URI/IRI for a Web Publication.

--Bill K

Bill Kasdorf

VP and Principal Consultant | Apex CoVantage

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ISNI: http://isni.org/isni/0000000116490786
ORCiD: https://orcid.org/0000-0001-7002-4786<https://orcid.org/0000-0001-7002-4786?lang=en>


From: Matt Garrish [mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 3:48 PM
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Subject: RE: definition of Web Publication

Sorry, link is: https://w3c.github.io/wpub/#terminology

Matt

From: Matt Garrish [mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com]
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Subject: RE: definition of Web Publication

Thanks, Hugh. I had the same thought earlier about "explicitly authored/created" and removed it. The current definitions are at [1].

I'm fine with removing the online/offline part, too. I'll get that updated shortly. I made one other adjustment to the reading order, as "not required" sounded like the reading order itself might be optional instead of the user following it being optional. I moved that explanation to a definition of "default reading order".

Matt

[1]

From: Hugh McGuire [mailto:hugh@rebus.foundation]
Sent: July 27, 2017 3:40 PM
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Subject: Re: definition of Web Publication

or, +1 to Hadrian.

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 3:32 PM, Hugh McGuire <hugh@rebus.foundation<mailto:hugh@rebus.foundation>> wrote:
Not sure I caught every word in this thread, but I would like to +1 this general definition:


  *   A Web Publication is an explicitly authored/created collection of one or more constituent resources, bound together through a manifest into a single logical work with a defined though not necessarily required reading order. The Web Publication is uniquely identifiable, presentable using Open Web Platform technologies, and available online or off. (from Greg/Matt)
This seems to be closing in on the minimum viable definition, which should be the target here (IMO). What minimum pieces of data do we need to know we are looking at a web publication?
— collection of resources
— with a manifest
— uniquely identifiable
— suggested reading order

probably unnecessary?
— “available online" (isn’t this implied?)

probably aspirational:
— "available offline” is, I would argue, aspirational but not necessarily strictly required?

probably not necessary:
— “explicitly authored/created” … the spec should not care how the thing came to exist, just whether it is a thing or not. And, how would a validation system check to see if something is explicitly authored or created?

So, if I could make a +1 minus a few things, I would edit down to:


  *   A Web Publication is a [delete:n explicitly authored/created] collection of one or more constituent resources, bound together through a manifest into a single logical work with a defined though not necessarily required reading order. The Web Publication is uniquely identifiable, presentable using Open Web Platform technologies[delete:, and available online or off]. (from Greg/Matt)
Giving us:


  *   A Web Publication is a collection of one or more constituent resources, bound together through a manifest into a single logical work with a defined though not necessarily required reading order. The Web Publication is uniquely identifiable, presentable using Open Web Platform technologies. (from Greg/Matt)




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