RE: definition of Web Publication

+1, and no, I don’t think “single logical work” implies anything about packaging or being a single file. In fact it very nicely _avoids_ that implication.
--Bill K

From: Matt Garrish [mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com]
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Subject: RE: definition of Web Publication

I don't have an issue taking out "bounded" (/replacing with "organized"), as the identification and organization of the primary resources into a single logical work is what that means, so it no longer adds anything.

Matt

From: Leonard Rosenthol [mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com]
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Subject: Re: definition of Web Publication

I understand all that – but if I am reading it that way (and I am part of this group) – how many others will read it the same as I?

But I agree that we are all in pretty close agreement on the concepts – it’s just wordsmithing…

Leonard

From: AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr<mailto:LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>>
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Subject: Re: definition of Web Publication

Hi Leonard,
I can only confirm Dave, Matt and Garh replies.
« Work » and « boundaries » are no technical terme here.
IMO, the manifestation of a Work in a Web Publication doesn’t say anything on packaging or not.

Luc


De : Garth Conboy <garth@google.com<mailto:garth@google.com>>
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Objet : Re: definition of Web Publication

Hi Leonard,

In my mind “into a single logical work” does not equal “into a single package or file”.

But, I think we're in agreement conceptually.  Let's leave to Matt to draft perfectly!  :-)

Best,
   Garth


On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com<mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com>> wrote:
> A web publication of Moby-Dick may have 136 separate HTML files, but it's still a single web publication, and a single logical work. I don't believe this statement implies otherwise.

Yes, that was the intent. As I mentioned to Luc, making clear the connectedness of the documents would further help differentiate a publication from a random set of documents. Their being connected in no way implies packaging, as having bounds doesn't necessitate packaging.

Matt

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Subject: Re: definition of Web Publication

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com<mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>> wrote:
> bound together through a manifest into a single logical work
>
That says packaged!   And, IMO, we need to be VERY CLEAR for WP that we are *not* talking about packaging.    If nothing else, get rid of the “into a single logical work”.

I think this just expresses the notion that a web publication represents a single conceptual work, and that the abstract manifest serves to unite the components in a logical sense. I don't see this implying that a web publication is a single web resource or file.

A web publication of Moby-Dick may have 136 separate HTML files, but it's still a single web publication, and a single logical work. I don't believe this statement implies otherwise.

Dave