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Re: definition of Web Publication

From: AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 09:54:05 +0200
To: Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com>, 'Garth Conboy' <garth@google.com>
CC: "'Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken'" <tsiegman@wiley.com>, 'W3C Publishing Working Group' <public-publ-wg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <D59CC40F.BFBED%laudrain@hachette-livre.fr>
For me the words  grouping  or here in the revised text form Matt  bounded , are fundamental.
A WP, even not in the context of book, has a publication date.
It doesnt exist before that date, and afterwards, it can be refered to as  published at  that date, along with other metadata like  by  for the creator/author.

The collection of ressources grouped is a whole, be it partially or massively updatable, so it belongs together as a set of resources demonstrating the intentions of a creator/author at that date.

I then find this definition ok : +1


De : Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com<mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com>>
Date : mardi 25 juillet 2017  00:17
 : 'Garth Conboy' <garth@google.com<mailto:garth@google.com>>
Cc : "'Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken'" <tsiegman@wiley.com<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>>, 'W3C Publishing Working Group' <public-publ-wg@w3.org<mailto:public-publ-wg@w3.org>>
Objet : RE: definition of Web Publication
Renvoyer - De : <public-publ-wg@w3.org<mailto:public-publ-wg@w3.org>>
Renvoyer - Date : mardi 25 juillet 2017  00:18

To Garth, no, not omitted on purpose so much as not having a lot of time to think about it before having to run out. :)

To Leonard, sure, if you're concerned about interpretation it can be made more open. But, again, the definition as was written tells you nothing about a web publication or what makes it unique. I can see how that was agreed on for a specification that wasn't defining web publications, but if the idea is that we move to something more tangible, that's what I'd offer based on how discussions have progressed so far. It no doubt will need further tweaking as we progress, of course, and perhaps manifest will go away. But until then a manifest appears to be the course we're charting.

Updating from my original post, perhaps:

A Web Publication is a uniquely identifiable representation of a bounded work using Open Web Platform technologies. It is defined by a collection of constituent resources linked together through a manifest. The content of a Web Publication can take a wide variety of forms, from formal artistic and intellectual works to ad hoc documents and memos.


From: Garth Conboy [mailto:garth@google.com]
Sent: July 24, 2017 1:42 PM
To: Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com<mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com>>
Cc: Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken <tsiegman@wiley.com<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>>; W3C Publishing Working Group <public-publ-wg@w3.org<mailto:public-publ-wg@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: definition of Web Publication

I'm gonna go with "+1".   I tend to think "uniquely identifiable grouping" is key.  Matt, did you omit that on purpose?


On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com<mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com>> wrote:
It's a somewhat vague definition, I find. What really sets it apart from a web page or web site, for example? Those have constituent resources, are uniquely identifiable and viewable using OWP technologies. It also leaves open the question of what "organized together" means.

I hate writing quick responses to terminology, but something like the following would be more where my thinking is:

A Web Publication (WP) is a representation of an artistic or intellectual work using Open Web Platform technologies. It is defined by a collection of constituent resources linked together through a manifest.


From: Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken [mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>]
Sent: July 24, 2017 1:04 PM
To: W3C Publishing Working Group <public-publ-wg@w3.org<mailto:public-publ-wg@w3.org>>
Subject: definition of Web Publication

The DPUB IG proposed a definition of Web Publications [1, 2]

Here are the short definitions. Please see [1] for the longer definition.

  A Web Publication (WP) is a collection of one or more constituent resources, organized together in a uniquely identifiable grouping that may be presented using standard Open Web Platform technologies.
  A Packaged Web Publication (PWP) is a Web Publication<https://www.w3.org/TR/pwp/#dfn-web-publication> whose constituent resources are combined into a single distributable file, using some standard packaging format.
  In this document, manifest refers to an abstract means to contain information necessary to the proper management, rendering, and so on, of a publication. This is opposed to metadata that contains information on the content of the publication like author, publication date, and so on. The precise format of how such a manifest is stored is not considered in this document.

If you are happy with these definitions, a simple +1 vote is sufficient. If you are not, please vote -1 and propose revisions.

Thank you,

[1] https://www.w3.org/TR/pwp/#whatisawebpublication
[2] https://www.w3.org/TR/pwp/#terminology

Tzviya Siegman
Information Standards Lead
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