Re: Identifying a book on the Web today

Ivan,

So are you agreeing with me or disagreeing?  Do you think that all
resources in
PWPs should be first-class citizens of the web and should thus be
addressable
by URIs?

Regards,
Makoto

2017-08-04 13:54 GMT+09:00 Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>:

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> On 3 Aug 2017, at 23:10, MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp> wrote:
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> Oops.  I made a big mistake.  Let me try again.
>
> I am talking about both primary and secondary resources within PWPs.
> I would like them to be first class citizens of the web.   This allows use
> of fragment identifiers, annotations, etc, and  thus provides smooth
> transition between PWPs and WPs.
>
>
> From a WP point of view, there is no difference between a primary and
> secondary resource insofar as they are all resources on the Web. I would
> actually turn things around: _all_ the resources that we are talking about
> are part of the Web in the first place, they are nothing special; what WP
> means is a conceptual step _on top_ of all those resources to group them
> together to form a single conceptual entity. To give some extra structure
> to those resources, so to say, without changing any of those resources in
> any significant manner. (The only change that might occur is the addition
> of some metadata.)
>
> For PWP the situation is a little bit more complex because the package may
> be 'elsewhere', ie, not on the Web but, if we regard (which I think is the
> case) a PWP some sort of a frozen version of a WP through some packaging,
> then the internal structure of a PWP would 100% reflect its 'exploded' WP
> ancestry.
>
> Bottom line: I do not see the problem. But that may only be me.
>
> Ivan
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> Regards,
> Makoto
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> 2017-08-04 5:55 GMT+09:00 MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>:
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>> 2017-08-04 0:19 GMT+09:00 Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>:
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>>>
>>> For the time being we are talking about WP-s and not PWP-s (ie,
>>> packaging is not yet discussed). WP-s, clearly must be first class citizens
>>> on the Web. PWP-s probably, but how packaged are handled may be a different
>>> issue.
>>>
>>
>> I am talking about secondary resources within PWPs.  I would like them to
>> be first
>> class citizens of the web.   This allows use of fragment identifiers,
>> annotations, etc.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> If this is accepted as a desideratum, we will then have to provide a
>>> mechanism.
>>> I think that a new URL scheme for PWP is a candidate of such a mechanism.
>>> Thus, I do not want to shut the door for such a URL scheme.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not sure I understand how a new URL scheme comes into the picture.
>>> I actually do not even understand what you mean by a new URL scheme:
>>>
>>> - Does it mean that we would have publ://aaa.bbb.ccc ? Ie, we would
>>> have to define a new protocol instead of HTTP?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yes.  This is orthogonal to locator-independent URLs.
>>
>> But I do not want to discuss such a scheme now.  I would like to know
>> if secondary resources in PWPs should become first-class citizens of
>> the Web.  I think that this is crucial for the smooth transition between
>> PWPs and WPs.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Makoto
>>
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>
> Makoto
>
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Makoto