Re: Extending hadRole to Attribution

Hi Luc,

So far we’ve understood that inferencing so have modelled things like this (https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/79#issuecomment-399668872):

:Dataset_X a prov:Entity ;
  prov:wasAttributedTo :Agent_Y ;
  prov:wasGeneratedBy [
    a prov:Activity, prov:Publish ; #’Publish’ taken from PROV-DC
    prov:wasAssociatedWith :Agent_Y ;
      prov:qualifiedAssociation [
        a prov:Association ;
        prov:agent :Agent_Y ;
        prov:hadRole [a prov:Publisher] . #’Publisher’ as per from PROV-DC
      ] .
  ] .

I dp see the point: an Activity can only ever have one causative Agent involved but an Agent related to an Entity is not restricted to one Agent (viz.  “influencer” or “influencee”). So the PROV solution, if an Agent/Entity relationship does need a Role somewhere, is to make what the Agent is doing explicit by inferring the Activity, as with Publish above, and then associate the role to the Agent in relation to the Activity.

We can live with that I suppose, but pity about the confusing ex:hadRole examples in PROV-O though…

What we might do is to come up with some other construct that’s not a PROV-style Role but is exactly the more time-eternal Entity/Agent thing we see commonly used for Dataset/Agent relations in other metadata models, such as ISO19115 (Geographic Metadata) where a Dataset (Entity) can have a citedResponsibleParty with a RoleCode like “owner”. The main purpose is to be able to use code lists instead of Dublin Core-style named properties like dct:publisher, dct:creator etc.

See you in a couple of weeks at IPAW no doubt.

Cheers,

Nick

From: "Moreau, Luc" <luc.moreau@kcl.ac.uk>
Date: Monday, 25 June 2018 at 6:30 pm
To: Nicholas Car <Nicholas.Car@csiro.au>, "public-prov-comments@w3.org" <public-prov-comments@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Extending hadRole to Attribution


Hi Nick,

We defined role as  (https://www.w3.org/TR/prov-dm/#concept-role)
“A role is the function of an entity or agent with respect to an activity”.

At the time, my recollection was that it was useful to specify a role in the context of an activity.  Attribution, as you mention it, does not have an activity. That’s why it was not included.

I wouldn’t have any objection with supporting roles for attribution, but this has some implications:

  *   Need to change the definition of role. What is it?
  *   Who is the role associated with? Is it the “influencer” or “influencee”? In your example, it looks like the “influencer”, but we could imagine roles for “influencees” too?  If it’s the case, we are back to the problem we faced in the WG: complex naming (hadInfluencerRole/hadInfluenceeRole) with the further problem that role in Usage/Generation is related to Influencer/Influencee respectively.

This said, in PROV with
https://www.w3.org/TR/prov-constraints/#attribution-inference, you have the possibility of associating a role to your agent in the association. What PROV does not allow us to do is link explicitly Attribution and the corresponding activity.

Regards,
Luc



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From: "Car, Nicholas (L&W, Dutton Park)" <Nicholas.Car@csiro.au>
Date: Monday, 25 June 2018 at 09:11
To: "public-prov-comments@w3.org" <public-prov-comments@w3.org>
Subject: Extending hadRole to Attribution
Resent-From: <public-prov-comments@w3.org>
Resent-Date: Monday, 25 June 2018 at 09:10

Dear PROV people,

We are finding it unhelpful to have to implement a very similar property to prov:hadRole to model Entity/Agent relationships in the Data Exchange WG due to prov:hadRole’s domain restrictions.

In the reasoning for setting the domain for prov:hadRole to prov:Association (see [1]), the PROV WG indicated that there was this restriction, rather than allowing “roles for all relations”, due to a permissive approach potentially leading to confusion over who is playing what role. I understand the potential when there are multiple Agents involved, as per [1] in Delegation but this is not the case for Attribution. In the same way that there is no confusion over role here (from PROV-O [2]) in Association:

:illustrating
    …
    prov:qualifiedAssociation [
        a prov:Association;
        prov:agent   :derek;
        prov:hadRole :illustrationist;
    ];
    …
.

There would also be no confusion here in Attribution (from PROV-O [3]) if the ex:hadRole was, instead, prov:hadRole:


:nationalRegionsList

   a prov:Entity;

   prov:qualifiedAttribution [

      a prov:Attribution;

      prov:agent :civil_action_group;

      ex:hadRole :owner;

   ]

.

The role here can only have been played by one prov:Agent, the :civil_action_group.

Can anyone refute this reasoning or is there an deeper issue due to Agent/Entity non-disjointness? If not, can we use consider extending the domain of prov:hadRole to also include Attribution? This would make like much easier in DXWG.

Thanks,

Nick


[1] https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/index.php?title=ResponsesToPublicComments&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop#ISSUE-532_.28Role.29<https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2011%2Fprov%2Fwiki%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DResponsesToPublicComments%26mobileaction%3Dtoggle_view_desktop%23ISSUE-532_.28Role.29&data=01%7C01%7Cluc.moreau%40kcl.ac.uk%7C7e3c62c1feee43d6300b08d5da733112%7C8370cf1416f34c16b83c724071654356%7C0&sdata=%2BMdxBTUb6MD33mzp1EypdN8j9zMLWVAB18nhrc06B2A%3D&reserved=0>
[2] https://www.w3.org/TR/prov-o/#Association<https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2Fprov-o%2F%23Association&data=01%7C01%7Cluc.moreau%40kcl.ac.uk%7C7e3c62c1feee43d6300b08d5da733112%7C8370cf1416f34c16b83c724071654356%7C0&sdata=sX%2Fln%2BENvK1%2FZsTg03UlO%2Bzn%2FyvV%2Btk%2B4gTBEwzyXF4%3D&reserved=0>
[3] https://www.w3.org/TR/prov-o/#qualifiedAttribution<https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2Fprov-o%2F%23qualifiedAttribution&data=01%7C01%7Cluc.moreau%40kcl.ac.uk%7C7e3c62c1feee43d6300b08d5da733112%7C8370cf1416f34c16b83c724071654356%7C0&sdata=pP9JzYF4HzkW10sXquXRY4JayJucjH9HOpZXhRlmo24%3D&reserved=0>


Nicholas Car
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