Fwd: RE: Call for position statements "PROV: Three Years Later"

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Luc


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Subject: 	RE: Call for position statements "PROV: Three Years Later"
Date: 	Wed, 4 May 2016 19:06:09 +0000
From: 	Reed Gelzer <rgelzer@provider-resources.com>
To: 	Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, 
"provenance-challenge@ipaw.info" <provenance-challenge@ipaw.info>, W3C 
Prov <public-prov-comments@w3.org>



Thank you for this call for input.

I am, as will soon be evident, a non-expert user of the PROV work.

One of our HL7 workgroups has found the W3C Provenance work 
extraordinarily helpful in modeling Provenance in Electronic Health 
Records Systems.

>From that experience, copying elements from your list below, here are 
some ideas/ possible position statement topics.   If any of these find 
resonance in your community, I'd welcome (request) help in translating 
them into acceptable format for your upcoming event.

In sum, they all involve the boundary (or boundaries) between what I'll 
try to describe as source reliability attributes vs. provenance 
attributes.    To grossly over-simplify, it has seemed to me that W3C 
Provenance is about the history of a data object and its relationships 
with other data objects. It is NOT about the circumstances of at least 
one type of data object's first creation.   That one type of data object 
where it is intended to represent an act or event that is occurring or 
has occurred in the real world, such as a data object representing the 
first capture of a patient care act or event.

My limited understanding of PROV is that it was built for the world wide 
web and in that context Provenance is agnostic about whether or not the 
object meets a given end-use or end-users requirements for accuracy, for 
example. Provenance is only about assurance that this particular object 
can be traced back to its first instantiation as a data object 
somewhere.  Whether or not the "source" is or was ever sufficiently 
accurate is out of scope for Provenance.   Thus attributes or 
qualifications for various end-use requirements for "source accuracy" 
belong to a different domain than PROV.

If this is indeed a proper understanding, then the rest may be useful.  
If not a proper understanding then I'm looking forward to correction.

If a proper understanding then it may be useful to hear more about our 
"experiment" with regard to source reliability attributes (we are using 
the term Origination) as intended to be about the conditions for the 
creation of data objects constrained (for our purposes at HL7's EHR 
Workgroup) to only where those objects are intended to represent the 
first capture into a system (any system) acts or events in "the real world".

For a relatively trivial example, if a reported patient blood pressure 
is from a U.S. FDA regulated device, then provenance will suffice 
because there is a referenceable resource that can be identified as the 
source and, given the already met parameters of FDA regulation 
requirements, knowing its source also offers evidence that the source 
has accuracy parameters XYZ that can be adjudicated as sufficient or 
insufficient for the end use purpose.

On the other hand if the blood pressure was measured by a human 
operator, it may be of interest to know additional information about its 
origination, other than "not by an FDA regulated automated device", such 
as whether that measurement was made by an individual with ABC 
credentials.   A representative end use seeking such information could 
be, for example, to support data quality variance studies by performing 
comparisons between machine-measured vs. human measured vs. measured by 
humans of different credentials.

Less trivial examples exist in, for example, requiring "levels of 
assurance" for key data determinants for inclusion or exclusion from use 
by clinical decision support systems.

I understand that this clumsy attempt at description will itself call 
forth many critical assessments.   Hopefully somewhere in the miasma the 
intended kernel is apparent to some.

If any or some of this seems pertinent, then perhaps one or more of 
these below would be of use (using some of this Call's elements)

  * Impact of provenance-What are the boundaries of Provenance?   What
    does it represent?  What does it NOT represent?
  * Presentation and explanation of provenance to users-Similarly, for
    explaining to others, what are the boundaries of Provenance?  What
    are the questions users ask, what are the "trust attributes" of
    interest to users that sufficiently describe data quality factors
    for a given data object in order to support end-user determination
    of suitable "level of assurance" for their particular need
  * Multi-level provenance (provenance of provenance)-What are the
    boundaries of Provenance?

Perhaps some of the above will suggest utility for one or more of these 
from the Call

  * Interoperability issues across serializations or within serializations-
  * Missing features, expressivity shortcomings
  * Adoption hurdles
  * Security and provenance, provenance and signatures (This latter,
    "signatures", is of high interest in healthcare now.   Digital
    signatures, binding each service provider's ID to the data
    representing the work each did, is being contemplated and modeled in
    the healthcare sector as the best, and possibly only practical way
    to indelibly bind each author of a multi-author object to each's
    contribution to that object.   This need is created by the fact that
    EHRs are not currently designed to accurately capture work
    attribution.   This is of special interest for healthcare where
    there are various common practices for having clinical services
    provided by individual A, but the record of that service is
    "authored" or attributed to individual B.   Among other problems,
    this means it is difficult to impossible to evaluate the resource
    costs of patient care since the attributed resource may not have
    actually done the work.)
  * Embedding provenance in various types of documents
  * Graphical representation of provenance
  * Inter-operability across standards
  * Extensions of PROV for additional requirements in different domains
    and applications
  * Abstraction of PROV records

In sum, this question:

For at least one type of data object, those intended to represent the 
first capture of an act or event in "the real world" into a digital info 
system, are the system attributes or conditions of "capture" outside the 
scope of PROV?

In our recent HL7 discussions, the PROV work has been very helpful.   
Within those discussions some advocate for a position that PROV is of 
supreme importance for defining representations of the history of 
objects and derivations of successive objects but that PROV is agnostic 
about system activities and associated characteristics of the "first 
creation" which could be the domain of "To Originate".

If that makes sense, does the concept of "Originate" or "Origination" 
have utility for describing a domain outside of ("upstream" of) PROV?

Draft definition "To Originate (v):  To initiate entry of data objects 
as potential content for an EHR record."    (This permits the option of 
treating that object as ephemera, until it is also Retained)

I apologize if none of the above has sense or otherwise is of no use to 
the W3C community and look forward to further education from your 
informed community either way.

Regards,

RDGelzer

*Reed D. Gelzer*

*Reed D. Gelzer, MD, MPH*

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*Co-Chair, HL7 EHR Systems Workgroup*

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*From:*Luc Moreau [mailto:l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk]
*Sent:* Thursday, April 28, 2016 7:27 AM
*To:* provenance-challenge@ipaw.info; W3C Prov
*Subject:* Re: Call for position statements "PROV: Three Years Later"

Dear all,
Second and final call for position statements for "PROV: Three Years Later".
Regards,
Luc

On 17/03/2016 19:26, Luc Moreau wrote:

        A workshop endorsed byW3C <https://www.w3.org/>atProvenance Week
        <http://www2.mitre.org/public/provenance2016/>, June 6, 2016,
        Washington DC.
        http://provenanceweek.org/2016/p3yl/


              Organizing Committee

        Luc Moreau (chair)

        	

        University of Southampton

        Phil Archer

        	

        W3C

        Reza B'Far

        	

        Oracle

        Yolanda Gil

        	

        Information Science Institute

        Paul Groth

        	

        Elsevier Labs

        Timothy Lebo

        	

        Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute

        Deborah Nichols

        	

        The MITRE Corporation

        Curt Tilmes

        	

        National Aeronautics and Space Administration


              Abstract

        Provenance Week 2016 will take place three years after the
        publication of the PROV recommendations and notes. The purpose
        of this workshop is twofold: 1) to collect practical experiences
        with using PROV in real-world applications so that we can take
        stock of its impact, and 2) to identify interoperability
        challenges with the current PROV specifications. The aim is to
        develop a community consensus around the priorities for PROV.


              Background

        Provenance, defined as a record that describes the people,
        institutions, entities, and activities involved in producing,
        influencing, or delivering a piece of data or a thing, is
        crucial in deciding whether information is to be trusted, how it
        should be integrated with other diverse information sources, and
        how to give credit to its originators when reusing it. In many
        environments, such as the Web or the medical context where users
        find information that is uncertain or questionable, provenance
        can help those users to make trust judgements.

        In 2013, the World Wide Web Consortium published PROV, a
        standard for expressing, sharing, and discovering provenance on
        the Web.. It consists of a conceptual data model (PROV-DM
        <https://www.w3.org/TR/prov-dm/>), an OWL2 ontology (PROV-O
        <https://www.w3.org/TR/prov-o/>), a textual notation (PROV-N
        <https://www.w3.org/TR/prov-n/>), a set of constraints to check
        the consistency of provenance (PROV-CONSTRAINTS
        <https://www.w3.org/TR/prov-constraints/>), an XML schema
        (PROV-XML <https://www.w3.org/TR/prov-xml/>), conventions for
        sharing and discovering provenance (PROV-AQ
        <https://www..w3.org/TR/prov-aq/>), and various other more
        focused specifications. Since then, PROV has seen adoption in
        some flagship applications, continued strong interest by the
        academic community, and promising tentative take-up in other
        standardization organizations, such asHL7
        <https://www.hl7.org/fhir/provenance.html>andOGC
        <http://www.opengeospatial.org/projects/initiatives/ows-10>.

        Three years later, it is time for provenance practitioners to
        take stock, reflect on their practical experiences with using
        PROV in their applications, understand the impact of PROV, and
        identify interoperability challenges and shortcomings with the
        current specifications. We invite the community to submit short
        position statements, which will be presented in "lightning
        talks" at a workshop on June 6, during Provenance Week. Talks
        will be grouped by topics of interest. The workshop organisers
        will act as facilitators, with the aim to develop a community
        consensus around the priorities for PROV. Position statements
        will be published online as a record of the workshop.


              Topics of Interest

        The following is a non-exhaustive list of topics for position
        statements reporting on*experiences*and*impact*:

          * API and software that use PROV
          * Datasets and resources that use PROV
          * Impact of provenance
          * Scalability
          * Presentation and explanation of provenance to users
          * Multi-level provenance (provenance of provenance)
          * Tradeoff and choices of different serializations

        The following is a non-exhaustive list of topics for position
        statements reporting on*interoperability*and*requirements*:

          * Interoperability issues across serializations or within
            serializations
          * Missing features, expressivity shortcomings
          * Adoption hurdles
          * Security and provenance, provenance and signatures
          * Embedding provenance in various types of documents
          * Graphical representation of provenance
          * Inter-operability across standards
          * Extensions of PROV for additional requirements in different
            domains and applications
          * Abstraction of PROV records

        Authors are strongly encouraged, where appropriate, to make an
        explicit link between requirements and application needs.


              Workshop Format

        Following this call for position statements, the workshop will
        be structured as follows.

          * "Lightning talks" grouped by themes
          * Open discussion about experiences and priorities
          * Next steps.


              Timetable

          * March 18, 2016: Call published
          * May 11, 2016: Deadline for submission
          * May 15, 2016: Workshop programme published
          * May 20, 2016:Registration closes
            <http://www2.mitre.org/public/provenance2016/contact.html>
          * June 6, 2016: Workshop


              Submission Procedure

        Submit short position statements (ideally less than a page)
        throughhttps://easychair.org/conferences/?conf=pw2016(please
        select the track "PROV: Three Years Later").

        To facilitate publication on the Web, authors are encouraged to
        submit documents in HTML, using theRASH framework
        <https://github.com/essepuntato/rash>(Research Articles in
        Simplified HTML). Mutliple submissions for different experiences
        and/or requirements are welcome. As we are keen to gather as
        many experiences and requirements as possible, it is acceptable
        for authors to submit position statements, even if they cannot
        physically attend the workshop, as long as they inform the
        organizers..


              Venue

        ProvenanceWeek 2016
        <http://www2.mitre.org/public/provenance2016/index.html>, June
        6-9, 2016, is being hosted byThe MITRE Corporation
        <http://www2.mitre.org/public/provenance2016/venue.html>in
        McLean, Virginia, USA, a short metro ride from Washington D.C.
        The workshops IPAW and TAPP will be co-located during the week.
        The workshop "PROV: 3 Years Later" will take place on the
        afternoon of June 6. Entry to the workshop is free but we need
        to know who is coming (note that registrations close on May
        20!). All registered attendees will be listed on the workshop
        Web site. Registration is through the Provenance
        Weekregistration page
        <http://www2.mitre.org/public/provenance2016/registration.html>.
        Participants are cordially invited to register for subsequent
        Provenance Week events.

        -- 

        Professor Luc Moreau

        Head of the Web and Internet Science Group

        Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487

        University of Southampton          twitter: @lucmoreau

        Southampton SO17 1BJ, UKhttp://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm  <http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/%7Elavm>

          

          



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Professor Luc Moreau

Head of the Web and Internet Science Group

Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487

University of Southampton          twitter: @lucmoreau

Southampton SO17 1BJ, UKhttp://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm  <http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/%7Elavm>

  

  

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