Fwd: Requiring Authenticated Origins for Geolocation API's: Status

Hi all.

The call for comments has been extended to 1 April 2015.

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From: "Mandyam, Giridhar" <mandyam@quicinc.com<mailto:mandyam@quicinc.com>>
Subject: Requiring Authenticated Origins for Geolocation API's: Status
Date: 26 February 2015 12:51:53 am GMT+1
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As you may recall if you have been reading this list, there was an open call for comments on requiring authenticated origins for the Geoloc API.  There was one detailed response to this CFC from Martin Thomson of Mozilla (seehttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-geolocation/2014Nov/0008.html), and some discussion after that.

Since that time, there has been related work coming out of WebAppSec that affects this area:

a)      The Mixed Content document (http://w3c.github.io/webappsec/specs/mixedcontent/) has continued to evolve.
b)      The Privileged Contexts (“Powerful Features”) document (http://w3c.github.io/webappsec/specs/powerfulfeatures/) has taken shape as well, with a section on legacy features using Geoloc. as an example:  seehttp://w3c.github.io/webappsec/specs/powerfulfeatures/#legacy.  Note that there are specific guidelines for sunsetting support for insecure origins in this section.

While useful, it is hard to determine whether these documents (particularly handling of Legacy Features as described in the Privileged Contexts doc) represent strategies that user agent vendors are willing to implement specifically for Geolocation.  It is also unclear whether developers who are using the Geolocation API will be able to adapt to sunsetting of support for insecure origins.  The feedback received so far on the CFC has not represented enough of the affected parties. Based on this, I would like to continue the call for comments on this list until April 1.

I have CC’ed the WebAppSec group and WebMob group, as there has been similar discussion in both groups.  I’ve also CC’ed the TAG.

-Giri Mandyam, W3C Geolocation Working Group Chair

From: Mandyam, Giridhar [mailto:mandyam@quicinc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 7:24 AM
To: public-geolocation
Subject: Requiring Authenticated Origins for Geolocation API's: Open Call for Comments (deadline - February 1, 2015)

As was discussed at TPAC 2014, the topic of requiring authenticated origins for geolocation is now being taken up in the form of an open call for comments on the public-geo mailing list.  An overview of the issue was presented at last week’s face-to-face meeting: https://www.w3.org/2008/geolocation/wiki/images/1/12/Geolocation_-_Trusted_Origin.pdf.  The definition of “authenticated origin” may be found athttp://w3c.github.io/webappsec/specs/mixedcontent/.  This requirement would apply to all specifications developed by the Geolocation Working Group.

As decided at that meeting, before acting upon this issue it is important to gather feedback from affected parties.  This includes web service providers, developers, and browser (web runtime engine) vendors.

The following is requested from respondents:

a)      If you are against requiring authenticated origins for geolocation API’s, please state so and state your reasons for objection.
b)      If you are in favor of requiring authenticated origins for geolocation API’s, please state so and your reasons for support.  In addition, please provide a proposal for how support for unauthenticated origins could be phased out (e.g. a schedule for developer evangelization, warning dialog boxes in browsers, hard cutoff for ending support in browsers).

After responses are received, I will do my best to compile results and provide a representative synopsis of the feedback.  I hope this call for comments is clear as written above, but if not please let me know.

-Giri Mandyam, Geolocation Working Group Chair

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