Re: privacy definitions -- was: WebID questions

On 19 Oct 2012, at 20:05, Ashok Malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> wrote:

> Would it help if the cookie page was made available - perhaps as a tab - but did not pop up?

My guess, is that it would help if the browser showed that there were cookies. And if the
user moved his mouse over the cookie, a page explaining what cookies are about could be shown.
If the user unclicked the cookie, and chose anonymous browsing, then the site would not work so well of course - that could also be explained. But essentially this should be done in the browser, not by web designers. 


> 
> All the best, Ashok
> 
> On 10/19/2012 8:06 AM, Chappelle, Kasey, Vodafone Group wrote:
>> 
>> Not voluntary in any sense of the word. If you go to almost any british websites these days you get that cookie pop-up because of the UK’s implementation of the ePrivacy directive’s requirement to get explicit consent for cookies. Try spending a day on the internet in the UK and getting that pop-up over and over again. And, online state management being what it is, getting it from the same website over and over again. Anyone who might have read and made a conscious decision about cookies after the first time they saw it anywhere has by now long since learned to just disregard the notice entirely no matter what it says and where they see it. Not a great example of meaningful privacy disclosures in action.
>>  
>> For another enlightened perspective on the new cookie rules:
>> http://nocookielaw.com/
>>  
>>  
>> From: Ashok Malhotra [mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com] 
>> Sent: 19 October 2012 16:00
>> To: ashok.malhotra@oracle.com
>> Cc: Rigo Wenning; Henry Story; public-privacy@w3.org; David Singer; Ian.Oliver@nokia.com; melvincarvalho@gmail.com; benl@google.com; public-webid@w3.org
>> Subject: Re: privacy definitions -- was: WebID questions
>>  
>> If you go to h-online, a British tech magazine for the first time you get a box that says:
>> 
>> The H uses cookies to help provide services and information to its readers. For more information about the cookies used on this site, including ways to opt-out, please see our cookie information page. If you continue using The H, we will assume that you agree to our use of cookies.
>> 
>> If you go to the cookie information page it does tell you the cookies it uses and what they are for.
>> 
>> Wow! Voluntary privacy disclosure!  It's only cookies, but it's a start.
>> 
>> All the best, Ashok
>> 
>> On 10/18/2012 4:27 PM, Ashok Malhotra wrote:
>> Hi Rigo:
>> I realize that the Privacy Dashboard is just a prototype but I have a comment.
>> On one of the websites I visited, I got on the left hand side:
>> 4 Session Cookies
>> 12 Lasting Cookies
>> 2 Internal Third Party Sites
>> 14 External Third party Sites
>> 3 Invisible Images.
>> If it's my mother, this is Greek to her.  If It's me I want to know, for example,
>> who the external third party sites are and where the invisible images are.
>> 
>> But the important question is, how do we further the development of this
>> work.  AFAIK, there is no WG that has this in their bailiwick.
>> 
>> All the best, Ashok
>> 
>> On 10/18/2012 8:03 AM, Rigo Wenning wrote:
>> On Thursday 18 October 2012 16:57:23 Henry Story wrote:
>> Is there a document that one can look at that shows the results of
>> this work?
>> http://code.w3.org/privacy-dashboard/
>> Note that the dashboard has not fully implemented the mockups that 
>> had been done. The dashboard carries a smiley. But we found out that 
>> the best would be an non-animated button with footsteps on them. If 
>> you click on them you would go to the dashboard. 
>>  
>> The documents are on 
>> http://www.primelife.eu/
>>  
>> Rigo
>>  

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