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Re: Consensus, timetable [Was: Goal of this group?]

From: Dave Pawson <dave.pawson@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 15:06:44 +0000
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To: xsl-fo Community Group <public-ppl@w3.org>
In which case lets try a glossary - see if we can all agree on definitions.
Publisher: Anyone, from an individual for his/her own use through a
national commercial company.
Layout: The manner in which content is displayed / printed on an area
of a screeen / page.

Presented content: That section of content which fills the display
area / screen /printed page.

[I disagree with only selecting fixed sizes. Rationale, Using any size
screen I may want to 'zoom
such that the font-size is greater. I would (personally) want to
content to wrap to my full window
size, such that I don't have to scroll sideways to view a full line.
Hence variant


On 31 December 2013 13:31, Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> wrote:
> I'd myself want to be careful about terms like fixed and variant page
> layout. A change, even a substantial change, in the observable/readable
> dimensions of a "page" by no means dictates or leads to a change in page
> layout; it may only vary the amount of content per "page". A change in
> layout to me means changing *what* elements are presented, not relatively
> minor things like widths and heights of elements.
> I'd also make the point that "variant" page layout is pretty likely to be
> adaptive fixed page layout, as in, planning ahead of time for a fairly small
> number of approximate viewport dimensions (featurephone, smartphone, tablet,
> laptop, say), and designing a small number of fixed page layouts.This is a
> standard programmer methodology.
> If this is not how people from predominantly publishing backgrounds
> understand these concepts, I'd be happy to be enlightened.
> May I add, with all due respect, let us not neglect the developer in all
> these discussions. I think we'd all agree that the end user is the most
> important person. I'll concede that the SME is the next most important
> person. But I'll put it out there that the developer is the linchpin. May I
> see a show of hands as to whose livelihoods seriously involve programming?
> I'd like to see a few specs that consider implementors: not many do.
> Arved
> On 12/31/2013 04:13 AM, Patrick Gundlach wrote:
>> Am 31.12.2013 um 08:42 schrieb Dave Pawson <dave.pawson@gmail.com>:
>>> Perhaps because of history / XSL-FO the emphasis seems to be on
>>> page layout which I see as a scope issue. It leaves me twitchy as
>>> fixed page layout seems to be a declining publishing target, with
>>> variant layout (screens/e-readers etc) rising.
>> declining doesn't mean there isn't still a strong need for it.
>> Patrick
>> Patrick Gundlach
>> speedata
>> Berlin, Germany
>> +49 30 57705055
>> http://speedata.github.io/publisher/

Dave Pawson
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