- From: Andrea Perego <andrea.perego@uninsubria.it>
- Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:36:22 +0200
- CC: Public POWDER <public-powderwg@w3.org>
I see your point, Phil (by the way, thanks for this explanation, which makes clearer to me the choices made when defining the WDR vocabulary). I completely agree that, if we have to use a rule language, we should use a standard one. Also, we cannot oblige people to use specific tools. Actually, I didn't mean that N3 (and Cwm) was the right choice: I used it as an example, since it is a working RDF rule language and reasoners exist for it. However, leaving aside the `explicit' use of rules (which, as you say, may be applied when specifying users' preferences), I think that it might be relevant to POWDER the fact itself that DRs and their scope are semantically equivalent to rules. This means that there exists a semantic interoperability between (a subset of) the WDR vocabulary and any (RDF) rule language, an interoperability which can be enforced by including in the definition of the wdr:WDR class and its properties statements saying that they are equivalent to the components of a rule. For instance, if a DR is structured as follows: <wdr:WDR ...> <wdr:attribution> ... </wdr:attribution> <wdr:hasScope> ... </wdr:hasScope> </wdr:WDR> we can state in the WDR vocabulary (or also elsewhere) that the wdr:hasScope stuff corresponds to the antecedent of a rule, the wdr:attribution stuff corresponds to the consequent of a rule, whereas the wdr:WDR corresponds to the implication operator. Note that I slightly modified the structure of a DR, which does not have a wdr:attribution property, only to make clearer the example. I think that it should be possible to map a DR into a rule without any modification of its structure (actually, I have to check this). Note that this mapping is completely transparent to end users: DRs are expressed according to the "data-based approach" (no Semantic Web stuff), but they can still be processed by an RDF reasoner (no matter which reasoner). Besides establishing a strong link with RIF, this will make people free to use the tools they prefer (SPARQL or reasoners). Andrea Phil Archer wrote: > > Thanks very much for setting this out, Andrea. > > During yesterday's call I was trying to be as neutral as I could (it's > the chair thing!) but on the list I'm going to be more partisan. > > Things I like about this: > - it makes use of an existing rule language and works on existing, > freely available software. > - This suggests that when the Rule Interchange Format Group [1] > completes its work we'll be able fairly easily to switch over to using > that (assuming they don't obviate the need for this by producing a > Recommendation that says "use N3 Rules"!) > - It's more semantic web friendly than, what I call, the "data based > approach" (i.e. my original posting in this thread). > - You've looked at the problem afresh and come up with a cracking good > alternative to the preconceived ideas. That's how breakthroughs are made. > > Things I don't like about this: > - it uses a non-standardised rules language (despite its pedigree - > TimBL and DanC - N3 has not been through a standardisation process - > that's what the RIF is for). > - that means we would effectively be recommending Cwm or Euler as these > are the inference engines that use N3. Yes, anyone can build an RDF > reasoner that uses N3, but this is quite rare. Neither of the big 2 RDF > toolkits, Redland [2] and Jena [3], seems to support N3 Rules. Better, I > think, to specify the structure and semantics of the data and leave the > implementation open. > > Also I think there is a fundamental conflict of design ethos here. RDF > is about triples (I know you know but this is a public discussion). > Because the triples are anchored in URIs, they can be anywhere, agents > can pick up the triples and process them and make sense of them readily. > In other words, it's an open architecture. POWDER differs firstly in > that we wish to make statements about lots of resources at once - that's > the biggest conflict - and we want to take steps to lock things down at > least a little so that provenance/attribution is explicit and can be > authenticated. > > In the work we've done up to now in Quatro and elsewhere, we have met > resistance from people who are unconvinced about the semantic web - > "it's a solution looking for a problem" and all that. I'm up there on > the platform to say they're wrong and should recognise what it can do, > but I think if we propose a system based on a specific rule language, > itself based on RDF, implemented in a handful of pieces of software > written largely by the same people (no matter how esteemed and respected > those people are) then I think we'll "up the anti" significantly. That > is, we'll increase resistance to take up substantially. > > What I would prefer is an approach that sets out the data and its > semantics *and* shows how existing rule languages and query languages > can be used to interpret it. > > As you know, Andrea, Dan Connolly did some work on matching data and > users [4]. He used Cwm to process the data and match the user with the > resource but the actual label (description) was expressed in a similar > fashion to the data based approach. That is, he did use an off-shelf RDF > reasoner to process the data. The Quatro proxy [5] uses SPARQL to > extract data from RDF-Content Labels so just in those two instances we > have different methods of using essentially the same data. > > Where I think rules will *really* come into their own is when we come to > encode user preferences. One of the goals of POWDER is to create a > standard (or more than one) that can replace PICS - PICSRules is part of > that and, well, the name says it all! > > My feeling is that a good standard will prescribe *just enough* so that > the system works, without unnecessarily proscribing methods some people > may feel comfortable with. > > This is a pretty fundamental debate that I hope will trigger wider debate. > > Phil. > > [1] http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg > [2] http://librdf.org/ > [3] http://jena.sourceforge.net/ > [4] http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/180 > [5] http://www.quatro-project.org/TheQuatroProxy.htm > > Andrea Perego wrote: >> I would bring to your attention an alternative solution to resource >> grouping wrt the one based on the DRs' scope/packages. Very simply, the >> idea is to express the constraints determining the scope of the DR >> itself by using RDF rules. >> >> Thanks to this we can keep separate a DR and the scope of such DR. So, >> if we wish to apply to a group of resources the same DR, we just have to >> specify a set of rules. Of course, the current WDR approach is a >> shortcut to this, but I think we'll have more flexibility using standard >> rule syntax and, in addition, we can use already existing RDF reasoners >> (such as Cwm [1] or Euler [2]) to verify whether a DR apply to a >> resource, without the need of developing further and ad hoc software >> tools. Finally, in a rule we can use any RDF/OWL vocabulary for >> expressing the conditions to be satisfied, without the need of defining >> ad hoc properties/classes. >> >> I think I can better explain myself with an example. >> >> Consider the strawman example at [3], reported herebelow (I use N3 [4,5] >> instead of `plain' RDF for brevity's sake): >> >> @prefix : <http://www.w3.org/2007/02/powder-ns#> . >> @prefix ex: <http://example.org/vocabulary#> . >> @prefix foa: <http://labellingauthority.example.org/foaf.rdf#> . >> @prefix wd: <#> . >> >> wd:description_1 ex:property1 "value 1"; >> ex:property2 "value 2" . >> >> wd:description_2 ex:property3 "value 3"; >> ex:property4 "value 4" . >> >> wd:description_3 ex:property1 "value 1"; >> ex:property4 "value 4" . >> >> wd:dr_1 a :WDR; >> <http://purl.org/dc/terms/issued> "2006-09-01"; >> :hasDescription wd:description_1; >> :hasScope [ >> a :Scope; >> :UAstring "NOKIA"; >> :hasHost "example.org"; >> :hasURI "\\.jpg$" ]; >> :validUntil "2007-09-01"; >> <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/maker> foa:me . >> >> wd:dr_2 a :WDR; >> <http://purl.org/dc/terms/issued> "2006-09-01"; >> :hasDescription wd:description_2; >> :hasScope [ >> a :Scope; >> :hasHost "example.org"; >> :hasPath "foo" ]; >> :validUntil "2007-09-01"; >> <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/maker> foa:me . >> >> wd:dr_3 a :WDR; >> <http://purl.org/dc/terms/issued> "2006-09-01"; >> :hasDescription wd:description_3; >> :hasScope wd:primaryScope; >> :validUntil "2007-09-01"; >> <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/maker> foa:me . >> >> wd:package a :Package; >> :hasDRs ( >> wd:dr_1 >> wd:dr_2 >> wd:dr_3 ); >> :hasPackageScope wd:primaryScope . >> >> wd:primaryScope a :Scope; >> :hasHost "example.org" . >> >> >> Now, by using rules to express the constraints determining the scope of >> each DR, we can reword the code above as follows: >> >> @prefix : <http://www.w3.org/2007/02/powder-ns#> . >> @prefix ex: <http://example.org/vocabulary#> . >> @prefix foa: <http://labellingauthority.example.org/foaf.rdf#> . >> @prefix wd: <#> . >> @prefix foaf: <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/> . >> >> wd:description_1 ex:property1 "value 1"; >> ex:property2 "value 2" . >> >> wd:description_2 ex:property3 "value 3"; >> ex:property4 "value 4" . >> >> wd:description_3 ex:property1 "value 1"; >> ex:property4 "value 4" . >> >> wd:dr_1 a :WDR; >> <http://purl.org/dc/terms/issued> "2006-09-01"; >> :hasDescription wd:description_1; >> :validUntil "2007-09-01"; >> <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/maker> foa:me . >> >> wd:dr_2 a :WDR; >> <http://purl.org/dc/terms/issued> "2006-09-01"; >> :hasDescription wd:description_2; >> :validUntil "2007-09-01"; >> <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/maker> foa:me . >> >> wd:dr_3 a :WDR; >> <http://purl.org/dc/terms/issued> "2006-09-01"; >> :hasDescription wd:description_3; >> :validUntil "2007-09-01"; >> <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/maker> foa:me . >> >> {?rsc :UAstring "NOKIA"; >> :hasHost "example.org"; >> :hasURI "\\.jpg$" . } => { wd:dr_1 :appliesTo ?rsc } . >> >> {?rsc :hasHost "example.org"; >> :hasPath "foo" . } => { wd:dr_2 :appliesTo ?rsc } . >> >> {?rsc :hasHost "example.org" . } => { wd:dr_3 :appliesTo ?rsc } . >> >> >> As you can see, DRs do not contain any more their scope, which is >> expressed by three rules (last lines), and both the package and the >> primary scope are gone. >> >> Syntactically, a rule consists of three components: an antecedent >> (containing a set of conditions), an implication operator (=>), and a >> consequent (containing one or more statements). Both the antecedent and >> the consequent are delimited by curly brackets ( >> {conditions}=>{statement(s)} ). The meaning of a rule is that, if all >> the conditions in the antecedent are satisfied, the the statement(s) in >> the consequent are true. For instance, the rule >> >> {?rsc :hasHost "example.org" . } => { wd:dr_3 :appliesTo ?rsc } . >> >> states that, if a resource (denoted by variable ?rsc) has a URL where >> the host component is "example.org", then the DR identified by wd:dr_2 >> applies to it. >> >> Now, if I access a resource with URL "http://www.example.org/foo.html" >> and we ask the reasoner to analyse the RDF file containing DRs and >> rules, it will return: >> >> wd:dr_2 a :WDR; >> <http://purl.org/dc/terms/issued> "2006-09-01"; >> :hasDescription wd:description_2; >> :validUntil "2007-09-01"; >> <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/maker> foa:me . >> :appliesTo <http://www.example.org/foo.html> . >> >> thus providing the `view' of the RDF file concerning the DR(s) applying >> to the requested resource. (Of course, the whole content of the RDF file >> can still be read by retrieving the file itself without running the >> reasoner). >> >> The objection here may be that, if the scope is kept separate from the >> corresponding DR, anyone can publish a rule anywhere stating that, e.g., >> wd:dr_2 applies to mysite.com. But if we suppose that DRs can be >> considered trustworthy only when valid/authenticated, we can apply the >> same approach to rules: a DR applies to a resource only if a >> valid/authentic rule states that. (By the way, Cwm has some built-in >> cryptographic functions which, maybe, can be used for this purpose [6]). >> >> Note however that by using rules we don't have necessary to separate a >> DR from its scope. For instance, the original DR wd:dr_2 >> >> wd:dr_2 a :WDR; >> <http://purl.org/dc/terms/issued> "2006-09-01"; >> :hasDescription wd:description_2; >> :hasScope [ >> a :Scope; >> :hasHost "example.org"; >> :hasPath "foo" ]; >> :validUntil "2007-09-01"; >> <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/maker> foa:me . >> >> can be reworded as follows >> >> {?rsc :hasHost "example.org"; :hasPath "foo" . } >> => { wd:dr_2 a :WDR; >> <http://purl.org/dc/terms/issued> "2006-09-01"; >> :hasDescription wd:description_2; >> <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/maker> foa:me . >> :appliesTo ?rsc} . >> >> which is quite similar to the original one, but with the advantage that >> it can be processed by a RDF reasoner. >> >> >> Andrea >> >> >> >> [1] http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/doc/cwm.html >> [2] http://www.agfa.com/w3c/euler/ >> [3] http://www.w3.org/2007/powder/History >> [4] http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Notation3.html >> [5] http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/N3Logic >> [6] http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/doc/Trust
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