- From: Patrick H. Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk>
- Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2025 16:42:12 +0100
- To: public-pointer-events@w3.org
Dear all, the minutes from today's meeting are at https://www.w3.org/2025/07/16-pointerevents-minutes.html and copied below: PEWG 16 July 2025 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/66591f6b-6694-4f90-b23d-bf8f1b9dda8a/20250716T110000/ IRC log: https://www.w3.org/2025/07/16-pointerevents-irc Attendees flackr, mustaq, Patrick_H_Lauke Chair: Patrick H. Lauke Scribe: Patrick H. Lauke * Meta-issue: update WPT to cover Pointer Events Level 3 * Any particular old or new issues that we want to start thinking about/tackling? # Meta-issue: update WPT to cover Pointer Events Level 3 Patrick: w3c/pointerevents#445 / https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues?q=label%3Aneeds-wpt+ Looks like we've got none left... last one we had was w3c/pointerevents#509 which seems to have been resolved now So unless there's anything else that was missed out that we think desperately needs a wpt, think we're in a good spot So at this stage, it would be good in our respective browser implementations if we could go through the WPTs that are now complete, and see how we're doing And if things fail, working out if it's features/bugs that are planned to be addressed or not Next step I think was for Philippe (plh) to collate things based on the WPTs for implementation report ACTION: review the WPT results at this stage, investigate any failures # Any particular old or new issues that we want to start thinking about/tackling? <mustaq> w3c/pointerevents#507 mustaq: I would love to close out w3c/pointerevents#507 ... but we'd need somebody from Firefox to check in, but feel free to comment on the issue We have 32 issues at this stage (just closed w3c/pointerevents#445 as we've sorted WPTs) <mustaq> w3c/pointerevents#542 [mustaq explains what the intention is with drifting clicks] Patrick: what i do hate, if this is the same: say you have a dialog, inside it there's a text field; i highlight the content by dragging my mouse, but accidentally end up finishing just outside of the dialog, and it auto-closes. i didn't intend that... mustaq: we don't have that problem for touch, as a click is not sent when there's movement Rob: i'm not sure i'm a fan of the thinking that click should be sent for drifting pointer - as on touch it's the way for a user to change their mind Rob: maybe if we found a way of declaring/stating that there is a boundary, so if you stay within it it still counts as click, but otherwise don't fire click Rob: something to say this is a clickable thing Rob: "click boundary" as a strawman term mustaq: might have something we can do with target... mustaq: maybe we can do something where drifting click can work for mouse, but leave touch as is Rob: we also have implicit capture, that brings up difference between mouse click and touch click Rob: not sure what Joey's expectation is specifically, might need to dig in a bit more Patrick: to be clear, that problem I have been seeing is usually in a JavaScript-y implementation, not the current native <dialog> Patrick: if we want to explore more dramatic changes (like making touch click work more like mouse click), we can start that conversation if we're aiming that for PE Level 4 - gives us time to explore potential compat dangers etc mustaq: let me file a new issue about the touch case, because the spec doesn't say specifically what happens, so not easy Patrick: possibly an easy one - this issue w3c/pointerevents#543 We originally didn't include gestures for IPR concerns...but maybe the time is right now to broach the subject? Rob: if not our group, then who? mustaq: maybe we can start putting feelers out This would be perfect for a hallway conversation at TPAC mustaq: let's keep #543 open as an initial place for discussion Thank you all, we'll reconvene in two weeks' time Summary of action items * review the WPT results at this stage, investigate any failures -- Patrick H. Lauke * https://www.splintered.co.uk/ * https://github.com/patrickhlauke * https://flickr.com/photos/redux/ * https://mastodon.social/@patrick_h_lauke
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