Minutes from Pointer Events WG call today 5 Feb 2020

Dear all,

minutes from today's call are available on 
https://www.w3.org/2020/02/05-pointerevents-minutes.html and copied below:



Pointer Events Working Group
05 Feb 2020
Agenda 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2020JanMar/0004.html

Attendees
Present
smaug, patrick_h_lauke, NavidZ
Regrets
Chair
Patrick H. Lauke
Scribe
Patrick H. Lauke


Patrick: this is likely going to be a short call. not going to work 
through all remaining open issues one by one here without prior 
preparation, and apologies for the haphazard lack of planning

due to lots of work commitments on my side that left me unable to do 
anything for W3C

hoping this will be start, a heartbeat to see what we need to do going 
forward

NavidZ: question is if we have any more significant work for v3. as 
microsoft had some thoughts on inking/trails, but question is if we can 
add it to PEv3

or if it's outside charter

Patrick: it was my recollection that there were no further significant 
things, and agree that inking/trailing may be out of scope

Navid: if we look over open issues with v3, we still have the question 
about updating click/doubleclick/context as pointer events

we did some tests, we would like to get this resolved

for keyboard interaction, we decided to use an invalid pointerId

as PE we're dependent on UI events, so quesiton is what we should do

Olli: have you discussed with Gary?

Navid: discussed with Gary and Travis at TPAC, and they'd be ok with it, 
but question is where we change things...in PE or in UI events

I can hash out the details and come up with more of a plan

Microsoft had strong views in favour of it, but there were some open 
questions

Could implement but not enable as default

Olli: would be good to get more data on where it can cause problems, 
particularly since coordinates are upgraded from integer to fractional

Navid: i'll take action to put pull request out for the the issue and 
hopefully we'll get feedback

apart from that, the issue of having both tilt properties (to include 
angles like Webkit does)

Patrick: admittedly my fault for sending out notice late, i apologise. i 
would suggest beyond these, if we take time in the next two weeks before 
next meeting to go over remaining open issues

and see what can be quickly addressed, maybe just with editorial tweaks, 
or what might require deeper discussion, and we take it from there in 
two weeks time to hopefully whittle down remaining open issues

Navid: for the tilt, we need to pin down exactly what we want to do, if 
we should rely on libraries or similar, just so we can decide how/what 
to implement in browser
... I'll take action to write PR for click/context/doubleclick

and Patrick if you could look at the tilt X/Y thing that would be good

Patrick: i lost track, but how are PE in Firefox now? enabled by default

Olli: enabled for a long time now in desktop and mobile browser

<smaug> (new version of mobile FF. Firefox preview or whatever it might 
be on Play)

Navid: do we know anything about Safari? they fail quite a few of the 
tests. Chrome does as well, so we probably need to sort some things out 
at our end, but we should see what Safari's intentions are

Patrick: not heard anything directly, I know Philippe tried to get folks 
from Apple to engage with the WG, but so far I don't think there's 
desire or it's high on their priority list.

Navid: I'm sure we can reach out more directly to some folks on the 
Safari team to see what their thinking is. In meantime would be good to 
go over tests again and see where possible gaps are.

Patrick: so once again apologies for the haphazard last minute 
organisation on this. Hoping that going forward I will have appropriate 
time carved out to look at this in a more timely manner, but feel free 
to kick me if I don't. We reconvene in 2 weeks' time, where we'll look 
over specific issues that are still open. it does feel like we're close 
to having v3 as complete as we wanted to make it at this stage. in 
future, it may wel

l be that the spec may be merged into a more general events spec and 
further work carried out there, rather than being something separate. 
we'll see.

<scribe> ACTION: Navid to look at PR for the click/context/double click 
issue https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/100

<scribe> ACTION: Patrick to look at tiltX/tiltY 
https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/274 and how we could include 
both types of values/coordinates

<scribe> ACTION: all to review any outstanding open issues and to pick a 
few high-profile ones to triage/discuss 
https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues?page=1&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen 
(suggest in run-up to next meeting)

Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: all to review any outstanding open issues and to pick a 
few high-profile ones to triage/discuss 
https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues?page=1&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen 
(suggest in run-up to next meeting)
[NEW] ACTION: Navid to look at PR for the click/context/double click 
issue https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/100
[NEW] ACTION: Patrick to look at tiltX/tiltY 
https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/274 and how we could include 
both types of values/coordinates




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Received on Wednesday, 5 February 2020 16:35:52 UTC