- From: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 11:55:43 -0400
- To: "public-pointer-events@w3.org" <public-pointer-events@w3.org>
The draft minutes from the June 3 voice conference are available at the
following and copied below:
<http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html>
WG Members - if you have any comments, corrections, etc., please send
them to the public-pointer-events mail list before June 10. In the
absence of any changes, these minutes will be considered approved.
-Thanks, ArtB
W3C <http://www.w3.org/>
- DRAFT -
Pointer Events WG Voice Conference
03 Jun 2014
Agenda
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014AprJun/0063.html>
See also:IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-irc>
Attendees
Present
Art_Barstow, Cathy_Chan, Rick_Byers, Scott_Gonzαlez, Jacob_Rossi,
Asir_Vedamuthu, Olli_Pettay
Regrets
Sangwhan_Moon, Patrick_Lauke
Chair
Art
Scribe
Art
Contents
* Topics <http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#agenda>
1. Tweak agenda
<http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#item01>
2. Bug 25758: Change PointerEvent width and height to double
<http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#item02>
3. Testing
<http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#item03>
4. CR implementation status
<http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#item04>
5. Plan of Record (PoR) to get Pointer Events to REC
<http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#item05>
6. Touch Events CG and use of HG
<http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#item06>
7. A Potential F2F Meeting
<http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#item07>
8. AoB <http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#item08>
* Summary of Action Items
<http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#ActionSummary>
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<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB
<scribe> Scribe: Art
<smaug> and unstable
Tweak agenda
AB:since I submitted the draft
agendahttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014AprJun/0063.html,
a couple of topics appear to be have resolved themselves and thus we can
drop them.
... any objections to dropping the "high-frequency mouse/touch" topic as
proposed by Rick?
[ None ]
AB:any objections to dropping Bug 25758 (change width and height to
double) as proposed by Jacob?
JR:I think we should talk about that bug
AB:ok
... during the AoB section I would like to briefly confirm the group's
Plan of Record (PoR) aka The End Game. Any objections to that?
[ None ]
AB:during the AoB section, I would like to add a short process-related
topic on the use of HG by the Touch Events
CGhttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-touchevents/2014Jun/0000.html.Any
objections to adding that?
JR:no, that's ok
want to add something else about a potential f2f meeting
AB:ok, we'll add that too
... any other change requests?
Bug 25758: Change PointerEvent width and height to double
AB:http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014AprJun/0053.html.
Discussion
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014AprJun/0051.html.
RB:I think JR just wanted to see if anyone had any comments
JR:I thought adding tilt would be good but don't think so now
we could always take that up later if needed
I am talking to send some pen based companies
RB:you missed one thing on the constructor
<jrossi>*ACTION:*jacob to update pointerInit constructor [recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-107 - Update pointerinit constructor [on Jacob
Rossi - due 2014-06-10].
Testing
AB:First up is PR
324https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/324/, f.ex. the status
and merging. I think there is a proposal to merge now and then "pick up
the pieces". Basically, what is the plan to complete the test suite.
... then how to handle additional PRs; who is going to do what; ...
JR:can we get consensus to merge PR324?
then we can stage additional tests
can't really work on other PRs until 324 is merged
I would prefer to land 324
AV:all of the feedback is now on the PR
feedback has been addressed
we have other PRs but they depend on 324 thus it is now critical path
for other work
There are some other test cases that require 324 to land
We can address any issues with 324 as new PRs
AB:anyone object to merging 324 as is?
RB:sounds good to me
<asir> Thank you Rick!
AB:ok, then we have a resolution
*RESOLUTION: group agrees to merge PR324 as is*
AV:please submit other PRs as soon as possible
JR:we have 2 more
AV:I think it's more like 3-4
JR:but they are smaller than 324
think Scott wants to combine some tests
SG:there are TTWF tests
need to look for overlaps
so we don't get dups
Might want fewer test files
JR:need a queue/list of things we need to test
think we are mostly done
only a few more things to test
AV:Scott, what are you going to contribute?
AB:perhaps Scott can reply to the list
<scribe>*ACTION:*Scott send a todo list re testing that needs to be done
[recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-108 - Send a todo list re testing that needs
to be done [on Scott Gonzαlez - due 2014-06-10].
SG:yes, that's fine. I need to talk to DaveM.
AB:sounds good
<scribe>*ACTION:*Jacob run the merge for PR324 [recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-109 - Run the merge for pr324 [on Jacob Rossi
- due 2014-06-10].
AV:the other tests pending are mostly touch-action related
AB:excellent
AV:is anyone else planning to submit tests?
AB:not me
CC:no
RB:no, although I'll review the touch-action tests
I assume they will cover what we want
AV:we used your prior input Rick when we created the tests
RB:great
CR implementation status
AB:can we please do a quick round robin re the status of Chrome,
Firefox, IE, Opera
RB:we have been reaching out to web sites
expect touch-action on for chrome 36
JR:I need to do some more reach out
RB:nice to see this cooperation on touch-action
<rbyers> :-)
<rbyers> go ahead without me, be back shortly
OP:some patches are landing
original plan was Metro but plan now is Android and other platforms
not sure how many releases before PE is enabled
we do have most of the code landed
JR:not much new to report; we have some bugs but they are minor
I don't think we have any bugs that cause interop probs
RB:re touch-action hit testing and matching Blink with IE
I have gotten some pushback re complexibility
there is a relevant non-norm note in the spec
Is anyone else interested in precices hit testing text in the spec?
The hit test is done on the bound of the element
If inline and exceeds bounds of its parent
[ JR reads the specific text ]
JR:I think we have some test cases for that
I don't think this is going to be a big interop issue
RB:perhaps we should change note to MAY?
elsewhere we say hit testing is out of scope
JR:true; perhaps it isn't needed
I don't like using 2119 words in Notes
RB:Elliott and Adam convinced me we should change our impl
we're doing two hit tests now and want to do as few hit tests as possible
JR:are you replicating hit testing off thread?
RB:it's off thread now
for compat need sites to opt in
all hit testing is main thread
[ some details of IE and Blink hit testing missing ]
JR:I'm ok with removing that note
AB:I don't have anything to add
OP:I don't recall what Gecko does here
AB:so, create an Action for Jacob to remove the note; anyone that
objects can do so on the list
<rbyers> Context from blink side
here:https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!topic/input-dev/En4Jr3ZunRw
<https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#%21topic/input-dev/En4Jr3ZunRw>
<rbyers> A couple minor corrections: we currently do touch-action hit
testing only main thread (and would like to collapse this special
touch-action hit test into the normal one we're already doing).
<scribe>*ACTION:*jacob remove the hit testing note (bounding box) per
agreement on 2-June-2014 [recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-110 - Remove the hit testing note (bounding
box) per agreement on 2-june-2014 [on Jacob Rossi - due 2014-06-10].
<rbyers> we do other hit-testing off-thread, but fall back to main
thread if we can't be sure
Plan of Record (PoR) to get Pointer Events to REC
AB:just wanted to reiterate our plan to get Pointer Events spec to
Recommendation. The basic plan we previously agreed is:
... Complete test suite;
... Do the interop testing; (if necessary, fix bugs and repeat)
... Create Implementation Report (IR)
... After we have 2 more implementations that pass each test, publish a
Last Call WD with a link to the test suite and IR; include a clear note
that in the absence of any major issues raised during the 3-week LC
comment period, since we already have proven interoperability, we intend
to skip Candidate Recommendation and the next publication will be
Proposed Recommendation
JR:sounds right to me
AV:yes, sounds right
<smaug> sounds ok
<rbyers> sounds good
<Cathy> sounds good
AV:when is the right time to update references?
AB:which references are you concerned about?
AV:HTML spec is one
need to update a few
AB:we should update refs right before LC
I think we're going to be ok
Touch Events CG and use of HG
AB:I believe everyone in the Touch Events CG should now have write
access tohttps://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webevents.As such, I will reply
tohttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-touchevents/2014Jun/0000.htmlthe
issue is resolved.
... did anyone else try?
JR:I didn't
RB:MikeSmith gave permissions to everyone in the CG
A Potential F2F Meeting
JR:Rick and I have been talking about some various problems
not necessarily touch or pointer events specific
We are planing to get together
where we is Blink and IE
we are meeting for some brain storming on June 23
<smaug> Yes, please ask mbrubeck__ to join the meeting
expect that any proposals would be brought back to the appropriate group
<rbyers> Brainstorming notes
here:https://docs.google.com/a/chromium.org/document/d/1C6P3Mhza1jdMJyP9G6fr7n7zcXrCmwih1o2xohFVEhc/edit
RB:this doc includes potential topics
people should feel free to add topics
interested in priorities and other items
Sorry this is last minute
Some of us are going to be in CA that week so we are going to go to
Seattle to meet with Jacob and his team
AB:it's good to meet
have you thought about announcing the meeting
RB:we just agreed to meet yesterday
we can announce on the lists and ask people to contact us if they want
to join
AB:please do announce
Matt might be able to join since he lives in Seattle
JR:we might be able to use this meeting to help us understand what we
want to do with respect to formal standardization
RB:we have a lot of items for potential work and need to discuss priorities
AB:ok, thanks the headsup
can I get one of you to agree to send some hightlights and summary to
the PEWG and TECG lists?
RB:yes, I'll do that
<jrossi> FYI - I've removed the touch-action hit testing
note:https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/rev/5b06a2e374b7
<scribe>*ACTION:*rick send summary/highlights of Seattle meeting to the
PEWG and TECG lists [recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-111 - Send summary/highlights of seattle
meeting to the pewg and tecg lists [on Rick Byers - due 2014-06-10].
AoB
AB:no call on June 10
... please continue to address open actions, open bugs, etc.
... anything else?
... meeting adjourned
JR:one bug I fixed 24923 yesterday - please review and submit feedback
Summary of Action Items
*[NEW]**ACTION:*jacob remove the hit testing note (bounding box) per
agreement on 2-June-2014 [recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action04]
*[NEW]**ACTION:*Jacob run the merge for PR324 [recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action03]
*[NEW]**ACTION:*jacob to update pointerInit constructor [recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action01]
*[NEW]**ACTION:*rick send summary/highlights of Seattle meeting to the
PEWG and TECG lists [recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action05]
*[DONE]**ACTION:*Scott send a todo list re testing that needs to be
[recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action02]
[End of minutes]
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