- From: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 11:55:43 -0400
- To: "public-pointer-events@w3.org" <public-pointer-events@w3.org>
The draft minutes from the June 3 voice conference are available at the following and copied below: <http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html> WG Members - if you have any comments, corrections, etc., please send them to the public-pointer-events mail list before June 10. In the absence of any changes, these minutes will be considered approved. -Thanks, ArtB W3C <http://www.w3.org/> - DRAFT - Pointer Events WG Voice Conference 03 Jun 2014 Agenda <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014AprJun/0063.html> See also:IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-irc> Attendees Present Art_Barstow, Cathy_Chan, Rick_Byers, Scott_Gonzαlez, Jacob_Rossi, Asir_Vedamuthu, Olli_Pettay Regrets Sangwhan_Moon, Patrick_Lauke Chair Art Scribe Art Contents * Topics <http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#agenda> 1. Tweak agenda <http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#item01> 2. Bug 25758: Change PointerEvent width and height to double <http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#item02> 3. Testing <http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#item03> 4. CR implementation status <http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#item04> 5. Plan of Record (PoR) to get Pointer Events to REC <http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#item05> 6. Touch Events CG and use of HG <http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#item06> 7. A Potential F2F Meeting <http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#item07> 8. AoB <http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#item08> * Summary of Action Items <http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#ActionSummary> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ <scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB <scribe> Scribe: Art <smaug> and unstable Tweak agenda AB:since I submitted the draft agendahttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014AprJun/0063.html, a couple of topics appear to be have resolved themselves and thus we can drop them. ... any objections to dropping the "high-frequency mouse/touch" topic as proposed by Rick? [ None ] AB:any objections to dropping Bug 25758 (change width and height to double) as proposed by Jacob? JR:I think we should talk about that bug AB:ok ... during the AoB section I would like to briefly confirm the group's Plan of Record (PoR) aka The End Game. Any objections to that? [ None ] AB:during the AoB section, I would like to add a short process-related topic on the use of HG by the Touch Events CGhttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-touchevents/2014Jun/0000.html.Any objections to adding that? JR:no, that's ok want to add something else about a potential f2f meeting AB:ok, we'll add that too ... any other change requests? Bug 25758: Change PointerEvent width and height to double AB:http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014AprJun/0053.html. Discussion http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014AprJun/0051.html. RB:I think JR just wanted to see if anyone had any comments JR:I thought adding tilt would be good but don't think so now we could always take that up later if needed I am talking to send some pen based companies RB:you missed one thing on the constructor <jrossi>*ACTION:*jacob to update pointerInit constructor [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-107 - Update pointerinit constructor [on Jacob Rossi - due 2014-06-10]. Testing AB:First up is PR 324https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/324/, f.ex. the status and merging. I think there is a proposal to merge now and then "pick up the pieces". Basically, what is the plan to complete the test suite. ... then how to handle additional PRs; who is going to do what; ... JR:can we get consensus to merge PR324? then we can stage additional tests can't really work on other PRs until 324 is merged I would prefer to land 324 AV:all of the feedback is now on the PR feedback has been addressed we have other PRs but they depend on 324 thus it is now critical path for other work There are some other test cases that require 324 to land We can address any issues with 324 as new PRs AB:anyone object to merging 324 as is? RB:sounds good to me <asir> Thank you Rick! AB:ok, then we have a resolution *RESOLUTION: group agrees to merge PR324 as is* AV:please submit other PRs as soon as possible JR:we have 2 more AV:I think it's more like 3-4 JR:but they are smaller than 324 think Scott wants to combine some tests SG:there are TTWF tests need to look for overlaps so we don't get dups Might want fewer test files JR:need a queue/list of things we need to test think we are mostly done only a few more things to test AV:Scott, what are you going to contribute? AB:perhaps Scott can reply to the list <scribe>*ACTION:*Scott send a todo list re testing that needs to be done [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-108 - Send a todo list re testing that needs to be done [on Scott Gonzαlez - due 2014-06-10]. SG:yes, that's fine. I need to talk to DaveM. AB:sounds good <scribe>*ACTION:*Jacob run the merge for PR324 [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Created ACTION-109 - Run the merge for pr324 [on Jacob Rossi - due 2014-06-10]. AV:the other tests pending are mostly touch-action related AB:excellent AV:is anyone else planning to submit tests? AB:not me CC:no RB:no, although I'll review the touch-action tests I assume they will cover what we want AV:we used your prior input Rick when we created the tests RB:great CR implementation status AB:can we please do a quick round robin re the status of Chrome, Firefox, IE, Opera RB:we have been reaching out to web sites expect touch-action on for chrome 36 JR:I need to do some more reach out RB:nice to see this cooperation on touch-action <rbyers> :-) <rbyers> go ahead without me, be back shortly OP:some patches are landing original plan was Metro but plan now is Android and other platforms not sure how many releases before PE is enabled we do have most of the code landed JR:not much new to report; we have some bugs but they are minor I don't think we have any bugs that cause interop probs RB:re touch-action hit testing and matching Blink with IE I have gotten some pushback re complexibility there is a relevant non-norm note in the spec Is anyone else interested in precices hit testing text in the spec? The hit test is done on the bound of the element If inline and exceeds bounds of its parent [ JR reads the specific text ] JR:I think we have some test cases for that I don't think this is going to be a big interop issue RB:perhaps we should change note to MAY? elsewhere we say hit testing is out of scope JR:true; perhaps it isn't needed I don't like using 2119 words in Notes RB:Elliott and Adam convinced me we should change our impl we're doing two hit tests now and want to do as few hit tests as possible JR:are you replicating hit testing off thread? RB:it's off thread now for compat need sites to opt in all hit testing is main thread [ some details of IE and Blink hit testing missing ] JR:I'm ok with removing that note AB:I don't have anything to add OP:I don't recall what Gecko does here AB:so, create an Action for Jacob to remove the note; anyone that objects can do so on the list <rbyers> Context from blink side here:https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!topic/input-dev/En4Jr3ZunRw <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#%21topic/input-dev/En4Jr3ZunRw> <rbyers> A couple minor corrections: we currently do touch-action hit testing only main thread (and would like to collapse this special touch-action hit test into the normal one we're already doing). <scribe>*ACTION:*jacob remove the hit testing note (bounding box) per agreement on 2-June-2014 [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action04] <trackbot> Created ACTION-110 - Remove the hit testing note (bounding box) per agreement on 2-june-2014 [on Jacob Rossi - due 2014-06-10]. <rbyers> we do other hit-testing off-thread, but fall back to main thread if we can't be sure Plan of Record (PoR) to get Pointer Events to REC AB:just wanted to reiterate our plan to get Pointer Events spec to Recommendation. The basic plan we previously agreed is: ... Complete test suite; ... Do the interop testing; (if necessary, fix bugs and repeat) ... Create Implementation Report (IR) ... After we have 2 more implementations that pass each test, publish a Last Call WD with a link to the test suite and IR; include a clear note that in the absence of any major issues raised during the 3-week LC comment period, since we already have proven interoperability, we intend to skip Candidate Recommendation and the next publication will be Proposed Recommendation JR:sounds right to me AV:yes, sounds right <smaug> sounds ok <rbyers> sounds good <Cathy> sounds good AV:when is the right time to update references? AB:which references are you concerned about? AV:HTML spec is one need to update a few AB:we should update refs right before LC I think we're going to be ok Touch Events CG and use of HG AB:I believe everyone in the Touch Events CG should now have write access tohttps://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webevents.As such, I will reply tohttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-touchevents/2014Jun/0000.htmlthe issue is resolved. ... did anyone else try? JR:I didn't RB:MikeSmith gave permissions to everyone in the CG A Potential F2F Meeting JR:Rick and I have been talking about some various problems not necessarily touch or pointer events specific We are planing to get together where we is Blink and IE we are meeting for some brain storming on June 23 <smaug> Yes, please ask mbrubeck__ to join the meeting expect that any proposals would be brought back to the appropriate group <rbyers> Brainstorming notes here:https://docs.google.com/a/chromium.org/document/d/1C6P3Mhza1jdMJyP9G6fr7n7zcXrCmwih1o2xohFVEhc/edit RB:this doc includes potential topics people should feel free to add topics interested in priorities and other items Sorry this is last minute Some of us are going to be in CA that week so we are going to go to Seattle to meet with Jacob and his team AB:it's good to meet have you thought about announcing the meeting RB:we just agreed to meet yesterday we can announce on the lists and ask people to contact us if they want to join AB:please do announce Matt might be able to join since he lives in Seattle JR:we might be able to use this meeting to help us understand what we want to do with respect to formal standardization RB:we have a lot of items for potential work and need to discuss priorities AB:ok, thanks the headsup can I get one of you to agree to send some hightlights and summary to the PEWG and TECG lists? RB:yes, I'll do that <jrossi> FYI - I've removed the touch-action hit testing note:https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/rev/5b06a2e374b7 <scribe>*ACTION:*rick send summary/highlights of Seattle meeting to the PEWG and TECG lists [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action05] <trackbot> Created ACTION-111 - Send summary/highlights of seattle meeting to the pewg and tecg lists [on Rick Byers - due 2014-06-10]. AoB AB:no call on June 10 ... please continue to address open actions, open bugs, etc. ... anything else? ... meeting adjourned JR:one bug I fixed 24923 yesterday - please review and submit feedback Summary of Action Items *[NEW]**ACTION:*jacob remove the hit testing note (bounding box) per agreement on 2-June-2014 [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action04] *[NEW]**ACTION:*Jacob run the merge for PR324 [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action03] *[NEW]**ACTION:*jacob to update pointerInit constructor [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action01] *[NEW]**ACTION:*rick send summary/highlights of Seattle meeting to the PEWG and TECG lists [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action05] *[DONE]**ACTION:*Scott send a todo list re testing that needs to be [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action02] [End of minutes] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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