- From: <vrodriguez@fi.upm.es>
- Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2017 19:11:47 +0200
- To: benedict.whittamsmith@thomsonreuters.com
- Cc: renato.iannella@monegraph.com, public-poe-wg@w3.org
Hi, In the API tentatively specified here (http://odrlapi.appspot.com/apidoc/index.html) I have defined a validator and an evaluator. The validator is implemented (still improving). The evaluator is being implemented, but I have specified two methods: - inform - evaluate The sequence of calls I understood is: input: - inform: Constraint1124 = satisfied - inform: Duty12312 = satisfied - inform: Duty12124 = not satisfied - evaluate: policy1, policy2, policy3 output: - policy1-rule1: active - policy1-rule2: active - policy2-rule1: not-active - policy2-rule1: active Is this correct or should I stop implementing this? (sorry if my terminology was not precise) Regards, Víctor benedict.whittamsmith@thomsonreuters.com escribió: > Hi Renato, > > I agree with much of what you say. I'd only add one further > criterion for interoperability: that two implementations that have a > common understanding of the world must agree on the states of the > rules in a policy. > > Now we have nothing to say on how an implementation comes to > understand the world - this is likely to be domain (aka profile) > specific. But if two happen to agree, then they should interpret the > rules in a policy in the same way. > > This is why we need a 'standard' evaluator. > > It seems to me that the IM + the 'truth tables' to test against are > enough to build an evaluator and enforce this second level of > interoperability. > > Michael: is it only the line above that leaves you uncomfortable? > > Should we be saying more about how to build an evaluator? In which > case I like Renato's idea of a Note to Implementors. > > Or are you asking for greater clarity in the IM? > > Ben > > ________________________________ > From: Renato Iannella [renato.iannella@monegraph.com] > Sent: 05 September 2017 14:37 > To: POE Public > Subject: Re: What exactly is stated by Non-/Active? > > > On 5 Sep 2017, at 20:08, Michael Steidl (IPTC) > <mdirector@iptc.org<mailto:mdirector@iptc.org>> wrote: > > I've got the feeling that members of this group have different views > on the role of the Non-/Active state of Rules and I raised the need > of a clarification of that as new Github Issue > #245<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_w3c_poe_issues_245&d=DwMFaQ&c=4ZIZThykDLcoWk-GVjSLmy8-1Cr1I4FWIvbLFebwKgY&r=6zKsY0rYbamT39VLwFyiNRQq5kP9V8VfXNbeD0GwlqvjGIQo1uv383jKtxD77PlM&m=PMiwASO7bywlZnE5KU06TXcdSYNo2MGorMP681_Fo3w&s=jgeKd0zb7KUwqUz4YhaFDYUd_Lc_Yt8YgizjM_AgYXE&e=> > I consider this as prerequisite for writing an agreed Rule Processing. > > Michael, thanks for your hard diligent work on this. > > It has been tough to understand the fluid viewpoints over this issue... > > But, I want to raise a bigger issue here…and that is the fundamental > requirement of W3C specs: interoperability. > > Publishing and consuming ODRL Policies is the core aspect of > interoperability. Two (independent) systems can interchange ODRL > Policies knowing they are “valid” and conform to the IM spec. > > All the current discussion on “Rule Processing” is stuff that > happens by individual implementations. > Once a system has the ODRL Policy, then it can “evaluate” it and > generate valid/satisfied/fulfilled states… > But that is only for its own use, no other party sees that. > (And as we just saw, the state is completely “black box” contextual. > Another implementation with the same Policy could generate different > states.) > > I don’t want to discount “Rule Processing”, its important to some, > but I would argue that it is not important to all implementations. > > I can imagine an implementation that publishes/consumes ODRL > policies, loads them into a graphDB, and hits it with all kinds of > SPARQL queries: “Can Billie play music file X in Australia on a > Wednesday?” Answer: “Only if she pays 0.005 bitcoins by Tuesday” > Did this implementation needs these states? I am not convinced. > > I think that the best way forward is to focus the CR Exit Criteria > on validity and conformance to the ODRL IM. > (BTW, conformance still means that a Permission is allowed, a Duty > must be fulfilled, a Prohibition is not allowed, and a Constraint > satisfied.) > > I would strongly recommend those that favour the Rule Processing > approach to document that as a NOTE for implementors. > > The other advantage to this approach is that we lower the barrier > for implementors to address the CR criteria, thereby, enhancing the > opportunity for greater participation and proof to the W3C to go to > PR. > > Renato
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