- From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 13:33:14 +0000
- To: POE WG <public-poe-wg@w3.org>
The minutes of today's meeting are at https://www.w3.org/2017/01/16-poe-minutes with a snapshot below. Thanks to Serena for scribing. Permissions and Obligations Expression Working Group Teleconference 16 Jan 2017 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2017/01/16-poe-irc Attendees Present renato, ivan, phila, Brian_Ulicny, Serena, michaelS, CarolineB Regrets Stuart, Ben, Sabrina, Simon Chair renato Scribe Serena Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]Deliverables Plan * [5]Summary of Action Items * [6]Summary of Resolutions __________________________________________________________ scribenick Serena <scribe> Scribe: Serena <renato> [7]https://www.w3.org/2017/01/09-poe-minutes.html [7] https://www.w3.org/2017/01/09-poe-minutes.html Proposal: approve last meeting minutes RESOLUTION: last minutes meeting approved <renato> [8]https://github.com/w3c/poe/labels/Needs%20WG%20Decision [8] https://github.com/w3c/poe/labels/Needs WG Decision Issues: [9]https://github.com/w3c/poe/labels/Needs%20WG%20Decision [9] https://github.com/w3c/poe/labels/Needs WG Decision <renato> [10]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-poe-wg/2017Jan/ 0004.html [10] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-poe-wg/2017Jan/0004.html renato: let's start with issue #82 ... [11]https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/82 ... in the example multiple actions, parties and assets are expressed at policy level ... it's basically a shortcut ... we end up wit the same thing if we expand the "short" version of the policy ... this is the proposal [11] https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/82 phila: it makes sense, how are you going to express ? renato: the narrative could be that the two policies are semantically equivalent phila: this should be added into a Processing section in the IM ... these are semantically equivalent and you have to process them in this way ... my concern is purely in terms about how to state that ... there should be a section defining Processing procedures <Brian_Ulicny> No objection to example. <renato> [12]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-poe-wg/2017Jan/ 0005.html [12] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-poe-wg/2017Jan/0005.html <Brian_Ulicny> No objection to proposal. renato: the question could be "in this case, how does it work with inheritance?" ... inheritance is something we support but we mean more something like inclusion than the standard meaning of inheritance ... e.g., in programming langauges ... the proposal is to copy in the child policy the properties of the father ... then if the full expansion is preferred, then we go back to the previous example <Brian_Ulicny> Comment: q+ michaelS: did you check if you obtain the same result if you expand first and then you inherit? ... it might be the same, but we need to check renato: yes, we can look at that Brian_Ulicny: the kind of inheritance is standard in OWL renato: we will implement these changes in the editors draft <renato> [13]https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/48 [13] https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/48 renato: issue to be discussed #48 ... validity data expressed through constraints <phila> +1 to not re-defining Dublin Core :-) renato: my recommendation is to point to another ontology defining them ... any views? ... a constraint is part of a rule, thus we need to apply validity dates to all the rules in the policy michaelS: it would be good to have a definition of what a time range validity means? renato: I mean temporal constraints on the policy ... it was based on the UC 4 <renato> [14]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Use_Cases#POE.UC.04_Techni cal_documents_rules_for_business_process_regulatory_compliance [14] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Use_Cases#POE.UC.04_Technical_documents_rules_for_business_process_regulatory_compliance <phila> Serena: We had differnet versions. It was at the policy level, to be able to say when there is a change <phila> ... *this* policy has been overtaken by *this* policy renato: we have the temporal constraints and we use other ontologies like DC for the other information phila: the policy is unbounded renato: if there is no date, we assume there are no constraints about that ... should we say something about policy identifiers? <victor> which is the use case raising this? UC4 <renato> #uc04 phila: we defer to the DC semantics, for versioning renato: we will explicitly state that <phila> The terms dcterms:replaces and dcterms:isReplacedBy are both defined phila: that should be part of the processing part renato: good point <renato> [15]https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues [15] https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues <renato> [16]https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/63 [16] https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/63 <phila> Serena: We discussed issue 63 <victor> about [17]https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/63 i provided several examples with minimal impact on the model, I think [17] https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/63 renato: we need to find a way with minimum impact on the IM victor: the change is minimum, only two operands renato: what about duties? victor: I forgot about that renato: everything is in constraints in dities ... my proposal is not to do this because it just increase the complexity of the model. Technically we can do it. ... in duties, we need to define left and right operands for duties ... we thought there could be other ontologies doing that, but it does not seem so victor: I have to say that I'm not strongly supporting that, it's syntactic sugar. renato: we can note the WG that we are reconsidering this, we need some strong cases to continue with this requirement ... the other issues are doable in the next week or two ... any other issue? <renato> [18]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Deliverables [18] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Deliverables we move on the deliverables plan Deliverables Plan renato: by next Monday we have a first version of the editors draft ... then call for reviews <victor> I applied changes in the morning (merging the branch issue84), that you can see in the vocabs page [19]https://w3c.github.io/poe/vocab/ [19] https://w3c.github.io/poe/vocab/ renato: the deliverables wiki page, we then have to call for one review (widest community possible) ... asking for feedback, comments, etc ... we need a collection of groups to contact ... at the moment we have few groups listed there ... do we need bigger groups? phila: you just list the groups to contact, we created a template email, and we reconded on the wiki when we sent this email to ... making a structured effort should be enough ... we need to include horizontal reviews as well <renato> [20]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Deliverables [20] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Deliverables ivan: one small remark, I agree that accessibility is not an issue here, but we need to contact everyone ... in my experience, when it comes to reporting then Github is your friend ... using a separate label for each group contacted, and ask for issues there ... it is very easy at the end to report renato: any other business? <renato> [21]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:London2017 [21] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:London2017 phila: EU project where they express CC licenses in ODRL ... CCRel they express CC licenses renato: we did a profile together, but it was a while ago <michaelS> [22]https://www.w3.org/community/odrl/work/cc/ [22] https://www.w3.org/community/odrl/work/cc/ renato: if want to purely express CC semantics they can use CCRel and ODRL victor: I support the idea of expressing CC licenses in ODRL ... each of the versions of licenses in Europe are incompatible, and ODRL can fill the gap renato: thanks everyone Summary of Action Items Summary of Resolutions 1. [23]last minutes meeting approved [End of minutes] __________________________________________________________
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