- From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 13:44:33 +0000
- To: POE WG <public-poe-wg@w3.org>
The minutes of this week's meeting are at
https://www.w3.org/2017/02/13-poe-minutes with a snapshot below.
Please note that the hope is that next week's meeting will include a
vote to publish the model and vocab as Working Drafts and that further
changes after that will be driven by external comments (what we used to
call Last Call).
Therefore, do please read the two docs before next week. If you can't
make the meeting, you might want to indicate by e-mail whether or not
you are happy for the docs to be formally published.
Permissions and Obligations Expression Working Group Teleconference
13 Feb 2017
[2]Agenda
[2] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20170213
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2017/02/13-poe-irc
Attendees
Present
renato, ivan, scribe, phila, michaelS, victor, Sabrina,
CarolineB
Regrets
Serena, Stuart, Ben, Brian
Chair
renato
Scribe
simonstey
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]approval of last week's minutes
2. [6]2 rec track documents
3. [7]vocab document
* [8]Summary of Action Items
* [9]Summary of Resolutions
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<renato> Plenty of snow - just the 40 degree heat melts it on
entry to our atmosphere :-)
<scribe> scribe: simonstey
<scribe> chair: renato
approval of last week's minutes
<renato> [10]https://www.w3.org/2017/02/06-poe-minutes.html
[10] https://www.w3.org/2017/02/06-poe-minutes.html
renato: hearing no objections -> minutes approved
2 rec track documents
renato: comments from simonstey regarding introduction of
attributes
<renato> [11]https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/
[11] https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/
renato: another issue discussed last week was json-ld context
... got some advise/comments from gregg kellogg
... has anyone any further questions/comments regarding the
info model?
<renato> [12]https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/105
[12] https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/105
renato: we plan to publish both documents as WD
<phila> simonstey: There are issues in the PDF that are
implementation specific, they don't provide general info
<renato> simon: undefined actions section -
[13]http://w3c.github.io/poe/model/#undefined
[13] http://w3c.github.io/poe/model/#undefined
<renato> simon: what is an undefined action? too vague?
<renato> ...implementation specific
renato: this feature was added way back
... when ODRL was used more in closed environments, rather than
open world scenarios
... I propose to mark it as "at risk"
phila: the phrase "at risk" has a specific conotation
... I would mark it as issue
<phila> Sounds sensible to me
<phila> phila: Maybe also add a sentence to the Status of the
Document
<renato> Proposal: mark section 3.1.4 as an issue - the feature
maybe removed in future version
+1
<phila> +1
<ivan> +1
<Sabrina> +1
<michaelS> +1
<victor> +1
RESOLUTION: mark section 3.1.4 as an issue - the feature maybe
removed in future version
renato: anyone has any other questions/comments reg. the info
model?
phila: is that the only open issue?
renato: yes, other than that only editorial ones left
vocab document
<renato> [14]http://w3c.github.io/poe/vocab/ODRL22.jsonld
[14] http://w3c.github.io/poe/vocab/ODRL22.jsonld
renato: we now know how a json-ld context should actually look
like
... the only other issues for the vocab (apart from the
json-ld) are a few little ones
... 1) issue 101
<renato> [15]https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/101
[15] https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/101
renato: there are 4 actions that all end with "to an audience"
... I would like to propose removing the phrase "to an
audience" from all 4
michaelS: adding this phrase was highly recommended by a big
german law firm back then
... there's a difference between "playing" for a small audience
or a big one
renato: you might be giving away too much permission by having
this phrase
... plus, we won't be able to have a "private" use version of
play
michaelS: what would be a use case for that?
renato: [explaining a use case]
michaelS: maybe we need a new action?
... the assignee isn't necessarily the beneficiary of a
permission
... we could require the definition of a recipient
renato: if you explicitly mention "to an audience", it implies
that you have the right to publicly play it to an audience
michaelS: there should be a distinction between private&public
use
renato: most of the action can only be performed by the
assignee
... maybe a profile could implement such a feature
michaelS: looking at the old version of the vocab, present is
defined as parent action of display
... presenting something implies (imo) presenting to someone
... rather than only to yourself
phila: there's def. a distinction between presenting something
to yourself and presenting something to a stadium
<renato> Proposal: remove "to an audience" from Present terms,
display, play, text2speech
phila: (a stadium with people in it)
+1
<Sabrina> +1
<ivan> 0
<renato> +1
<CarolineB> +1
<michaelS> +1
RESOLUTION: remove "to an audience" from Present terms,
display, play, text2speech
+q
<renato> [16]https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/103
[16] https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/103
<michaelS> The actions present, display, play and textToSpeech
should include a note requiring to add a receipient party as a
private or open audience.
simonstey: mentions different semantics of action "stream" for
data community
... streaming data vs streaming movies/audio/...
<renato> proposal: Add "stream" to action vocab - broad
definition - not as a narrower term of Present
<Sabrina> +1
<CarolineB> +1
<renato> +1
0
<ivan> +1
<michaelS> 0
<phila> +1 although, again, I don't like enumerated lists in a
vocab
renato: will work on the specific def. of stream
RESOLUTION: Add "stream" to action vocab - broad definition -
not as a narrower term of Present
+1 to phil's comment
<victor> 0
<michaelS> q
victor: I opened a new issue few minutes ago
... the ontology isn't OWL-DL
<renato> Victor's issue:
[17]https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/106
[17] https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/106
victor: by removing rdfs:range we could make it OWL-DL
... I could enrich this issue and propose changes
<ivan> yes
victor: the specs can still change after next week right?
renato: you bet
phila: just for clarification -> the diagrams in both vocabs
are slightly different.. why's that?
renato: [explains diff.]
phila: e.g., "status" in constraints isn't part of the figure
in the vocab spec.. why?
... maybe worth considering adding an explanatory sentence to
the figure in the vocab
... basically reiterating what you just said renatio
michaelS: status is "non-normative" what does that mean?
... what's the difference in relevance?
... we have two main actions -> use & transfer
... where transfer now seems to be non-normative
renato: based on the implementation survey we did last year, we
derived this distinction
... we have to have a number of implementations that implement
the whole spec
michaelS: my concern is that someone who's not familiar with
the W3C process might be inclined to reinterpret
"non-normative" terms
phila: the distinction between normative<->non-normative might
have to be recast
... and we may want to consider change that to core/extension
... will give both specs a more thorough readthrough until next
week
<CarolineB> *me - sorry have to go now
[discussing generalities]
ivan: instead of discussing generalities, the question is
whether there are at least two different groups that implement
e.g. display
... if this can be proven, there is no point in not having it
normative
... at this point we could also have certain terms being "at
risk"
... [relevant for CR]
michaelS: I would like to have an equal opportunity for all
actions, as people may tend to avoid actions that are denoted
as being "non-normative"
renato: plan for next week -> vote on both documents
... AOB=
Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions
1. [18]mark section 3.1.4 as an issue - the feature maybe
removed in future version
2. [19]remove "to an audience" from Present terms, display,
play, text2speech
3. [20]Add "stream" to action vocab - broad definition - not
as a narrower term of Present
[End of minutes]
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