Re: User Experience Guide for accessibility metadata 2.0 first public draft available for review

Hi all,

Thanks for including me in this conversation.

Certainly, coordinating accessibility metadata makes a lot of sense, and is a fruitful avenue for exploration. 

“Format-agnostic” is a challenge when addressing considerations that tend to occur primarily in the context of specific formats or use cases. Publications are a significant fraction of PDF content… but PDF is a “general purpose” document format rather than a “publication format” - and includes capabilities that aren’t addressed by publication-centric specifications. Examples that come quickly to mind include redactions, annotations and artifacts with positional semantics. Other situations that occur frequently in PDF are extracted subsets of pages and collations of pages from multiple sources. In general, it’s unclear to me how this document addresses these situations where the file is modified after publication.

As such, and based on a brief review, I’m inclined to agree with Leonard that this document’s focus appears specific to EPUB, and would suggest that it’s named that way to avoid confusing the marketplace.

I’m sure that there would be interest in PDF’s technical community for cross-pollination in this area, and I’m happy to discuss it.

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> On Sep 9, 2024, at 09:24, Gregorio Pellegrino - Fondazione LIA <gregorio.pellegrino@fondazionelia.org> wrote:
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> Thank you for this email exchange, which I feel is very helpful in further developing our work. I would like to point out that the work done in the techniques for ONIX is already format-agnostic and works to fully describe the accessibility features of accessible digital PDFs.
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> Display Techniques for ONIX Accessibility Metadata 2.0: https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/UX-Guide-Metadata/2.0/techniques/onix-metadata/index.html
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> Best,
> Gregorio
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> Da: Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com <mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>>
> Data: lunedì, 9 settembre 2024 alle ore 15:19
> A: Johnson, Rick <Rick.Johnson@vitalsource.com <mailto:Rick.Johnson@vitalsource.com>>, Avneesh Singh <avneesh.sg@gmail.com <mailto:avneesh.sg@gmail.com>>, Duff Johnson <duff.johnson@pdfa.org <mailto:duff.johnson@pdfa.org>>
> Cc: public-epub3@w3.org <mailto:public-epub3@w3.org> <public-epub3@w3.org <mailto:public-epub3@w3.org>>, public-publishingcg@w3.org <mailto:public-publishingcg@w3.org> <public-publishingcg@w3.org <mailto:public-publishingcg@w3.org>>, public-pm-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-pm-wg@w3.org><public-pm-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-pm-wg@w3.org>>, W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org <mailto:public-publishingbg@w3.org>>
> Oggetto: Re: User Experience Guide for accessibility metadata 2.0 first public draft available for review
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> As the W3C has recently partnered with the PDF Association (https://pdfa.org <https://pdfa.org/>) on producing PDF Accessibility material – I think that would be welcome by all.
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> @Duff Johnson <mailto:duff.johnson@pdfa.org> (cc’d) is leading that coordination.
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> Leonard
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> From: Johnson, Rick <Rick.Johnson@vitalsource.com <mailto:Rick.Johnson@vitalsource.com>>
> Date: Monday, September 9, 2024 at 9:04 AM
> To: Avneesh Singh <avneesh.sg@gmail.com <mailto:avneesh.sg@gmail.com>>
> Cc: Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com <mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>>, public-epub3@w3.org <mailto:public-epub3@w3.org> <public-epub3@w3.org <mailto:public-epub3@w3.org>>, public-publishingcg@w3.org <mailto:public-publishingcg@w3.org> <public-publishingcg@w3.org <mailto:public-publishingcg@w3.org>>, public-pm-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-pm-wg@w3.org> <public-pm-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-pm-wg@w3.org>>, W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org <mailto:public-publishingbg@w3.org>>
> Subject: Re: User Experience Guide for accessibility metadata 2.0 first public draft available for review
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> I would be especially interested in, and happy to participate in the creation of, a way to represent PDF files and their metadata using these principles. 
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> Rick
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Sep 9, 2024, at 5:31 AM, Avneesh Singh <avneesh.sg@gmail.com <mailto:avneesh.sg@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Thanks Leonard,
> Indeed the principles can be used by any format, but we go into details of EPUB 3.
> I will include this topic in agenda of our regular calls to figure out how we can clarify this in a better way in the document.
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> With regards
> Avneesh
> From: Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com <mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>>
> Sent: Monday, September 9, 2024 5:56 PM
> To: Avneesh Singh <avneesh.sg@gmail.com <mailto:avneesh.sg@gmail.com>>; public-epub3@w3.org <mailto:public-epub3@w3.org>; public-publishingcg@w3.org <mailto:public-publishingcg@w3.org>; public-pm-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-pm-wg@w3.org>; 'W3C Publishing Business Group' <public-publishingbg@w3.org <mailto:public-publishingbg@w3.org>>
> Subject: Re: User Experience Guide for accessibility metadata 2.0 first public draft available for review
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> I am a bit confused by this document, Avneesh.
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> The document’s title, and a few references internally, seem to imply that this document is for Accessibility Metadata for *any* format – in fact, you specifically call out PDF and MP3’s early on.   However, all recommendations are tied to EPUB and don’t address these other formats.
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> On the assumption that the committee does not wish to provide recommendations for formats other than EPUB, I would recommend that you change the title of the document to make it clear that it is only for EPUB.   And also remove all reference to non-EPUB formats.
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> Thanks,
> Leonard
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> From: Avneesh Singh <avneesh.sg@gmail.com <mailto:avneesh.sg@gmail.com>>
> Date: Monday, September 9, 2024 at 3:02 AM
> To: public-epub3@w3.org <mailto:public-epub3@w3.org> <public-epub3@w3.org <mailto:public-epub3@w3.org>>, public-publishingcg@w3.org <mailto:public-publishingcg@w3.org> <public-publishingcg@w3.org <mailto:public-publishingcg@w3.org>>, public-pm-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-pm-wg@w3.org> <public-pm-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-pm-wg@w3.org>>, 'W3C Publishing Business Group' <public-publishingbg@w3.org <mailto:public-publishingbg@w3.org>>
> Subject: User Experience Guide for accessibility metadata 2.0 first public draft available for review
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> EXTERNAL: Use caution when clicking on links or opening attachments.
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> Dear Publishing Community,
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> Please feel free to circulate within your company!
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> As we all know by now, the European Accessibility Act comes into force in June 2025, and it requires that end users and educators have access to information about the accessibility of the publications they plan to purchase or assign to students.
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> With this in mind, we are pleased to announce that the first public draft of the “User Experience Guide for the Display of Accessibility Metadata 2.0” is now available for review and comment. We are seeking feedback from the publishing, bookselling, and library communities, as well as from distributors of digital books.
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> This set of guidelines is an essential read for many in the publishing and distribution chain:
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> The Principles document <https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/UX-Guide-Metadata/2.0/principles/> is the backbone of the guidelines and is essential for everybody to read.
> The ONIX metadata Techniques <https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/UX-Guide-Metadata/2.0/techniques/onix-metadata/index.html> and EPUB Accessibility metadata Techniques <https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/UX-Guide-Metadata/2.0/techniques/epub-metadata/index.html> explain the logic of how the metadata gets converted to meaningful statements that will resonate with end users. Every software developer/coder implementing the presentation in a catalogue needs to study these techniques, but it is also recommended that anyone responsible for metadata in a publishing house review them
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> Comments are most welcome, and we ask that you file a GitHub issue <https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/issues>.
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> If you are uncomfortable filing a GitHub issue, feel free to send me the comment and I will file the issue on your behalf.
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> Principles: https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/UX-Guide-Metadata/2.0/principles/
> ONIX metadata techniques: https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/UX-Guide-Metadata/2.0/techniques/onix-metadata/index.html
> EPUB accessibility metadata techniques: https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/UX-Guide-Metadata/2.0/techniques/epub-metadata/index.html
> Issue tracker: https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/issues
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> Thanks
> Avneesh Singh
> Chair, Accessibility task force - Publishing CG
> COO, DAISY Consortium
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