Re: Fw: Action-1715: figure role and Action 1708 Update and more information for discussion

Hi Rich,
cc leonie

May be useful to have as an agenda item on an ARIA call, so we can discuss?
I know Leonie has some thoughts on figure/figcaption,  If that is possible
will makes sure I can attend call.

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Regards

SteveF
Current Standards Work @W3C
<http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/03/current-standards-work-at-w3c/>

On 16 September 2015 at 22:29, Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com>
wrote:

>
>    I have provided an update to the proposed figure role. However, before
>    we formalize this I need to cover other issues that Steve Faulkner and I
>    discussed regarding its use for <figure>. Steve mentioned that <figcaption>
>    defaults a label relationship with <figure>. In actuality it is actually
>    used as a description. At times however the label for the figure may be
>    embedded in it. Am example is below:
>    https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=figure+and+figcaption+element&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001
>
>    At other times it can appear like a label:
>    http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Elements/figcaption
>
>    We differentiate label and descriptions as one being short and the
>    other being long. Steve would like for us to have a figcaption role but
>    what I think we really need to do is state that Figures must have both a
>    visible label and a description. In HTML the description can be implied. I
>    would like to discuss this with the group and also see whether Steve things
>    that we should require an aria-labelledby on the <figure> element or at
>    least an aria-label. I can see where the implied description could be
>    adequate and we might just want to have an aria-label on it.
>
>    We need to resolve this before this becomes a formal proposal.
>
>
>
>    figure
>
>       A perceivable section of content which supports the main document,
>       and should be easily perceivable regardless of its position in the layout.
>       A figure might contain a graphical document, an image, or other content
>       such as code snippets or example text. Authors SHOULD  provide a
>       reference to the figure from the main text, but the figure need not be
>       displayed at the same location as the referencing element."
>
>       A figure MAY have an associate label or caption, or an associated
>       description.
>
> *Assistive technologies*
>       <http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#dfn-assistive-technologies>
>        *SHOULD* enable users to quickly navigate to figures. Mainstream *user
>       agents*
>       <http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#dfn-user-agent>
>       *MAY* enable users to quickly navigate to figures.
>
>
>
>
> Rich Schwerdtfeger
>