Minutes: Monday, 5 October 2015 WAI-PF ARIA Authoring Practices Guide Taskforce

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—Michiel

   [1]W3C

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                              ARIA APG TF

05 Oct 2015

   See also: [2]IRC log

      [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/10/05-aria-apg-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Matt_King, JamesNurthen, JemmaJaEunKu, Raghu,
          Michiel_Bijl, IanPouncey, Ann_Abbott, Bryan_Garaventa

   Regrets
          Jon_Gunderson

   Chair
          Matt_King

   Scribe
          annabbott, Ann_Abbott, MichielBijl

Contents

     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]Pattern work status page update
            https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practi
            ces-Patterns-Status
         2. [5]Landmark navigation pattern review
            https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/practices/aria-prac
            tices.html#landmarks
         3. [6]Toolbar pattern review
            https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/practices/aria-prac
            tices.html#toolbar
     * [7]Summary of Action Items
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   <jamesn> scribe: annabbott

   <scribe> scribe: Ann_Abbott

Pattern work status page update
[8]https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practices-Patterns
-Status

      [8] https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practices-Patterns-Status

   Matt: discuss where we are with example development

   Michiel: remove or remark all example code except Alert

   James made the edit

   Matt: first column needs tabpanel & treeview as Reviewed

   Jemma finished checkbox (3 examples) and Jon will review for
   next week, then move on to radio button

   Jemma will review tri-state checkbox with Jon

   Jemma: Jon will review tri-state checkbox

   Matt: any other table updates needed?

   crickets

Landmark navigation pattern review
[9]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/practices/aria-practices.html#l
andmarks

      [9] https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/practices/aria-practices.html#landmarks

   Ian will draft coding practices

Toolbar pattern review
[10]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/practices/aria-practices.html#
toolbar

     [10] https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/practices/aria-practices.html#toolbar

   Matt: next week add to agenda coding practices for examples

   Michiel: I'd by HAPPY for you to take over as scribe!

   <MichielBijl> scribe: MichielBijl

   <annabbott> MILLION THANKS!

   Matt: in terms of expectation, Jemma, do you think your
   checkbox example will be ready next week?

   jemmaku: yes

   Matt: is the description to desktop-land orientated?

   A collection of commonly used function buttons or controls
   represented in compact visual form.

   The toolbar is often a subset of functions found in a menubar,
   designed to reduce user effort in using these functions.
   Authors must supply a label on each toolbar when the
   application contains more than one toolbar.

   Authors may manage focus of descendants for all instances of
   this role, as described in Managing Focus.

   jamesn: some problems with toolbars
   ... people want to put more than buttons in toolbars; like
   textfields or dropdowns
   ... how does this work with keyboard interaction; left and
   right arrows in a textbox behave different than in the toolbar
   itself

   Matt: is there a restriction on the content of a toolbar?

   jamesn: no

   Matt: does it make sense to have it in the toolbar?

   jamesn: the UI designer want's to put it there

   bgaraventa1979: then it's not a toolbar
   ... AT will announce the number of buttons in a toolbar
   ... putting in other stuff will mess up the count

   jamesn: isn't that a AT problem?

   yes

   Matt: it could be grouped in a grid (toolbar and other stuff
   like search fields)

   jamesn: I'm very much against that

   bgaraventa1979: you could use a region; you have quick
   navigation

   jamesn: the problem is that you then get inefficient keyboard
   navigation

   bgaraventa1979 this is what you meant right:
   [11]http://codepen.io/Michiel/pen/ZbKbLo.html

     [11] http://codepen.io/Michiel/pen/ZbKbLo.html

   <jemmaku> +question

   +question

   IanPouncey: problem with aria is recognising how to use it.
   Mixing input methods makes it harder.

   Matt: that is why I advocate that people don't put stuff inside
   a toolbar that capture arrow keys.

   [12]http://codepen.io/Michiel/pen/ZbKbLo.html

     [12] http://codepen.io/Michiel/pen/ZbKbLo.html

   [13]http://codepen.io/Michiel/pen/ZbKbLo

     [13] http://codepen.io/Michiel/pen/ZbKbLo

   [14]http://s.codepen.io/Michiel/debug/ZbKbLo

     [14] http://s.codepen.io/Michiel/debug/ZbKbLo

   Matt: so if we are going to advocate this as a best practise,
   then I guess, this would require a complete rewrite of the
   description in APG.
   ... we could take the first line from the ARIA spec and extend
   that.
   ... would a spinbutton be something you would find in a
   toolbar?

   jamesn: for stuff like font-size, indent-size, etc

   Matt: could you use a dropdown in a toolbar?

   jamesn: as long as you use a pure selectbox (so no combobox)
   ... I'll add a bug for toolbar

   Matt: I don't mind writing toolbar

   <jemmaku> so do we use div role region for tool bar?

   Uhm, yeah that is what is there, but I'd have to have it
   checked more thoroughly.

   I think Matt just gave it a quick once over

   <jemmaku> ok

   <jemmaku> thanks.

   But that was what Bryan suggested during the call :)

   <jemmaku> yeah

   <jemmaku> I think it is a good idea.

   <jemmaku> Thanks for scribing today

   <jemmaku> I will talk to you later

   Allows for quick access via keyboard

   No problem! Was that the question you wanted to ask when you
   entered the que?

   <jemmaku> it was about region role for toolbar

   Yeah okay :)

   <jemmaku> we can have sevral regions. right?

   Yes

   <jemmaku> multiple regions

   Yep, you can have multiple; probably should limit it though

Summary of Action Items

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