- From: Michiel Bijl <michiel@agosto.nl>
- Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 20:50:59 +0100
- To: Protocols and Formats Working Group <public-pfwg@w3.org>
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Minutes for todays meeting can be found in this e-mail as text and at this URL: http://www.w3.org/2015/11/30-aria-apg-minutes.html
—Michiel
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Attendees
Present
JamesNurthen, AnnAbbott, jemma_jaeun_Ku, Michiel_Bijl,
Bryan_Garaventa
Regrets
Léonie_Watson
Chair
Matt_King
Scribe
MichielBijl
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Update pattern work assignments and status
https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practi
ces-Patterns-Status
2. [5]Review bug fixes for menu and menubar pattern
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/apg_menuPattern/practices/
aria-practices.html
3. [6]Review bug fixes for menubutton design pattern
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/apg_menuPattern/practices/
aria-practices.html
4. [7]Review revised descriptive text for example of
mixed checkbox
https://rawgit.com/a11ydoer/practices/master/examples/
checkbox/checkbox-3.html
5. [8]Review revised descriptive text for example of
mixed checkbox
* [9]Summary of Action Items
* [10]Summary of Resolutions
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<jemma_ku> hi
<jemma_ku> can I get meeting pw?
<jemma_ku> I understand and it is easy pw
<mck> test
<scribe> scribe: MichielBijl
Update pattern work assignments and status
[11]https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practices-Pattern
s-Status
[11] https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practices-Patterns-Status
MK: Have edited the first column of the status table
... dialog modal isn't quite ready
... put Jon's name in the edit column for landmarks
... those are the changes that have been made recently
... any takers for menu/menubutton?
JG: me and Jemma can take that
AA: I can help with landmarks.
JN: Jon and Jemma, you still have radio/checkbox group to do.
MK: agenda item for larger topic
... where do we put stuff in the guide related to non
interactive widgets
... there may be design patterns like landmarks, but not have
them limited to interactive role
... or have a separate section for them
... do you want us to look at your example content first Jon?
... did you do some writing at that link?
JG: started to write some stuff. But looked at overall
structure. Need to talk about.
... right now there is a landmark section
... I think we should have a section for non-interactive
widgets.
... we have a lot of them: map, list, etc
... help developers find them easier
MK: do we want an index section of the document?
... if we have that in our guide, it would be easier for people
who are using it to use it as a reference
... why would you separate interactive and non-interactive,
what about cases where it's not clear?
JG: have a section for landmark roles
... me and Ann will propose a solution/example and we'll take
it from there
<annabbott> Jon & Ann: landmarks on Dec 14 agenda
Review bug fixes for menu and menubar pattern
[12]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/apg_menuPattern/practices/aria-practi
ces.html
[12] https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/apg_menuPattern/practices/aria-practices.html
MK: I'll merge after the call
[13]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/apg_menuPattern/practices/aria-
practices.html#menu
[13] https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/apg_menuPattern/practices/aria-practices.html#menu
<jemma_ku>
[14]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/apg_menuPattern/practices/aria-
practices.html#h-menu
[14] https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/apg_menuPattern/practices/aria-practices.html#h-menu
MK: removed references to desktop applications
[15]https://github.com/w3c/aria/compare/apg_menuPattern
[15] https://github.com/w3c/aria/compare/apg_menuPattern
MK: made keyboard section shorter and added notes to clarify
JN: don't want to add links to everything
AA: remove the link on menu button?
JN: no, links to separate section
MK: interested to know if the keyboard section is an
improvement
... the other thing I tried to do is be consistent if we talk
about keys
JN: would you tab to a container?
... why not?
... you would tab to it.
MK: you would tab to an element that activates a menu
... if you put on menubar you could tab to a container
JN: I have a question about up/down arrow
... you wouldn't use up/down for first/last if it is vertical
MK: you could
... on the wrapping behaviour
... do we want to enforce it or make it optional
... really like to encourage this
<Birkir> This is highly desirable for large menus (arbitrarily
saying 8 menus or more), but for small menus with few items, it
is less important.
JN: why do we want this
<Birkir> I'd vote for "optional but nice", to use my invented
technical term.
MK: *long story* it's easier if you go through a menu and make
up your mind if you're on the last item
... you can just wrap to the first item
AA: so make wrapping optional?
MK: main bug in menu button, don't duplicate anything that is
in menu
<jemma_ku> Thanks, Michiel. I sent you an email.
<jemma_ku> I have another meeting in 7 min
MK: thank you all, great feedback
AA: I'm seeing a bunch of other variations on setting
properties.
BG: are you removing quotes?
MK: removing quotes and add “to“
MB: I like having the quotes, makes it easier
MK: we don't have it consistently.
MB: maybe later
Review bug fixes for menubutton design pattern
[16]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/apg_menuPattern/practices/aria-practi
ces.html
[16] https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/apg_menuPattern/practices/aria-practices.html
NOTE: covered in previous discussion
Review revised descriptive text for example of mixed checkbox
[17]https://rawgit.com/a11ydoer/practices/master/examples/checkbox/ch
eckbox-3.html
[17] https://rawgit.com/a11ydoer/practices/master/examples/checkbox/checkbox-3.html
<jemma_ku> take up item agenda 5
Review revised descriptive text for example of mixed checkbox
<mck>
[18]https://rawgit.com/a11ydoer/practices/master/examples/check
box/checkbox-3.html
[18] https://rawgit.com/a11ydoer/practices/master/examples/checkbox/checkbox-3.html
MK: semantics typo in first sentence
JK: I'll fix it
MK: third bullet “This set of example” should be “This set of
examples”
... how come there are square brackets around role=checkbox?
MB: only makes sense if you're talking about CSS selectors;
which we are not
<jemma_ku> michiel, we don't hear you
<jemma_ku> you are on mute
<mck> One way to write it: The <code>div</code> element with
role <code>checkbox</code>
Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions
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