Minutes for Monday, 30 November 2015 WAI-PF ARIA Authoring Practices Guide Taskforce

Minutes for todays meeting can be found in this e-mail as text and at this URL: http://www.w3.org/2015/11/30-aria-apg-minutes.html

—Michiel

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30 Nov 2015

   See also: [2]IRC log

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Attendees

   Present
          JamesNurthen, AnnAbbott, jemma_jaeun_Ku, Michiel_Bijl,
          Bryan_Garaventa

   Regrets
          Léonie_Watson

   Chair
          Matt_King

   Scribe
          MichielBijl

Contents

     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]Update pattern work assignments and status
            https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practi
            ces-Patterns-Status
         2. [5]Review bug fixes for menu and menubar pattern
            https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/apg_menuPattern/practices/
            aria-practices.html
         3. [6]Review bug fixes for menubutton design pattern
            https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/apg_menuPattern/practices/
            aria-practices.html
         4. [7]Review revised descriptive text for example of
            mixed checkbox
            https://rawgit.com/a11ydoer/practices/master/examples/
            checkbox/checkbox-3.html
         5. [8]Review revised descriptive text for example of
            mixed checkbox
     * [9]Summary of Action Items
     * [10]Summary of Resolutions
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   <jemma_ku> hi

   <jemma_ku> can I get meeting pw?

   <jemma_ku> I understand and it is easy pw

   <mck> test

   <scribe> scribe: MichielBijl

Update pattern work assignments and status
[11]https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practices-Pattern
s-Status

     [11] https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practices-Patterns-Status

   MK: Have edited the first column of the status table
   ... dialog modal isn't quite ready
   ... put Jon's name in the edit column for landmarks
   ... those are the changes that have been made recently
   ... any takers for menu/menubutton?

   JG: me and Jemma can take that

   AA: I can help with landmarks.

   JN: Jon and Jemma, you still have radio/checkbox group to do.

   MK: agenda item for larger topic
   ... where do we put stuff in the guide related to non
   interactive widgets
   ... there may be design patterns like landmarks, but not have
   them limited to interactive role
   ... or have a separate section for them
   ... do you want us to look at your example content first Jon?
   ... did you do some writing at that link?

   JG: started to write some stuff. But looked at overall
   structure. Need to talk about.
   ... right now there is a landmark section
   ... I think we should have a section for non-interactive
   widgets.
   ... we have a lot of them: map, list, etc
   ... help developers find them easier

   MK: do we want an index section of the document?
   ... if we have that in our guide, it would be easier for people
   who are using it to use it as a reference
   ... why would you separate interactive and non-interactive,
   what about cases where it's not clear?

   JG: have a section for landmark roles
   ... me and Ann will propose a solution/example and we'll take
   it from there

   <annabbott> Jon & Ann: landmarks on Dec 14 agenda

Review bug fixes for menu and menubar pattern
[12]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/apg_menuPattern/practices/aria-practi
ces.html

     [12] https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/apg_menuPattern/practices/aria-practices.html

   MK: I'll merge after the call

   [13]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/apg_menuPattern/practices/aria-
   practices.html#menu

     [13] https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/apg_menuPattern/practices/aria-practices.html#menu

   <jemma_ku>
   [14]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/apg_menuPattern/practices/aria-
   practices.html#h-menu

     [14] https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/apg_menuPattern/practices/aria-practices.html#h-menu

   MK: removed references to desktop applications

   [15]https://github.com/w3c/aria/compare/apg_menuPattern

     [15] https://github.com/w3c/aria/compare/apg_menuPattern

   MK: made keyboard section shorter and added notes to clarify

   JN: don't want to add links to everything

   AA: remove the link on menu button?

   JN: no, links to separate section

   MK: interested to know if the keyboard section is an
   improvement
   ... the other thing I tried to do is be consistent if we talk
   about keys

   JN: would you tab to a container?
   ... why not?
   ... you would tab to it.

   MK: you would tab to an element that activates a menu
   ... if you put on menubar you could tab to a container

   JN: I have a question about up/down arrow
   ... you wouldn't use up/down for first/last if it is vertical

   MK: you could
   ... on the wrapping behaviour
   ... do we want to enforce it or make it optional
   ... really like to encourage this

   <Birkir> This is highly desirable for large menus (arbitrarily
   saying 8 menus or more), but for small menus with few items, it
   is less important.

   JN: why do we want this

   <Birkir> I'd vote for "optional but nice", to use my invented
   technical term.

   MK: *long story* it's easier if you go through a menu and make
   up your mind if you're on the last item
   ... you can just wrap to the first item

   AA: so make wrapping optional?

   MK: main bug in menu button, don't duplicate anything that is
   in menu

   <jemma_ku> Thanks, Michiel. I sent you an email.

   <jemma_ku> I have another meeting in 7 min

   MK: thank you all, great feedback

   AA: I'm seeing a bunch of other variations on setting
   properties.

   BG: are you removing quotes?

   MK: removing quotes and add “to“

   MB: I like having the quotes, makes it easier

   MK: we don't have it consistently.

   MB: maybe later

Review bug fixes for menubutton design pattern
[16]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/apg_menuPattern/practices/aria-practi
ces.html

     [16] https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/apg_menuPattern/practices/aria-practices.html

   NOTE: covered in previous discussion

Review revised descriptive text for example of mixed checkbox
[17]https://rawgit.com/a11ydoer/practices/master/examples/checkbox/ch
eckbox-3.html

     [17] https://rawgit.com/a11ydoer/practices/master/examples/checkbox/checkbox-3.html

   <jemma_ku> take up item agenda 5

Review revised descriptive text for example of mixed checkbox

   <mck>
   [18]https://rawgit.com/a11ydoer/practices/master/examples/check
   box/checkbox-3.html

     [18] https://rawgit.com/a11ydoer/practices/master/examples/checkbox/checkbox-3.html

   MK: semantics typo in first sentence

   JK: I'll fix it

   MK: third bullet “This set of example” should be “This set of
   examples”
   ... how come there are square brackets around role=checkbox?

   MB: only makes sense if you're talking about CSS selectors;
   which we are not

   <jemma_ku> michiel, we don't hear you

   <jemma_ku> you are on mute

   <mck> One way to write it: The <code>div</code> element with
   role <code>checkbox</code>

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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