Minutes for Monday, 9 November 2015 WAI-PF ARIA Authoring Practices Guide Taskforce

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—Michiel

   [1]W3C

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                            ARIA APG meeting

09 Nov 2015

   See also: [2]IRC log

      [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/09-aria-apg-irc

Attendees

   Present
          AnnAbbott, Bryan_Garaventa, IanPouncey, LJWatson,
          Michiel_Bijl, jemmaku, jongund, Matt_King

   Regrets
   Chair
          Matt

   Scribe
          AnnAbbott, MichielBijl

Contents

     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]Pattern work status page update
            https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practi
            ces-Patterns-Status
     * [5]Summary of Action Items
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   <jongund> rrsagent present+ jongund

   <jongund> rrsagent present

   <annabbott> scribe: AnnAbbott

Pattern work status page update
[6]https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practices-Patterns
-Status

      [6] https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practices-Patterns-Status

   Matt - none to tick off

   Jemma: done with checkbox 3 example

   Jon: waiting for it to be integrated into trunk

   <Jemma_Ku> this is pull request
   [7]https://github.com/a11ydoer/aria/commit/1c4d8fcbde1624c6b12d
   9272873e937e34f

      [7] https://github.com/a11ydoer/aria/commit/1c4d8fcbde1624c6b12d9272873e937e34f

   <Jemma_Ku>
   [8]https://cdn.rawgit.com/a11ydoer/practices/master/examples/ch
   eckbox/checkbox-3.html\

      [8] https://cdn.rawgit.com/a11ydoer/practices/master/examples/checkbox/checkbox-3.html

   <Jemma_Ku>
   [9]https://cdn.rawgit.com/a11ydoer/practices/master/examples/ch
   eckbox/checkbox-3.html

      [9] https://cdn.rawgit.com/a11ydoer/practices/master/examples/checkbox/checkbox-3.html

   Matt: example 3 is mixed state checkbox

   <mck> Typo in following:

   <mck> • Changing the state of the standard checkboxes will
   update the state fo the ARIA mixed checkbox.

   Matt: NVDA doesn't read the individual labels, only the
   grouping label

   when tabbing

   <jemma> sorry my pc died.

   <jemma> relogging in

   Matt: JAWS reads grouping label first when arrowing followed by
   individual label
   ... tabbing or X (special key) JAWS reads individual label
   followed by grouping label

   Jon: ID refs are not in source code
   ... should spell out ID refs
   ... should not provide multiple labeling techniques

   <Birkir> condaments taste better when they are in a fieldset.

   <Birkir> Should we run the code through the html5 validator?

   Jon: should be careful if HTML spec isn't final yet

   <MichielBijl> scribe: MichielBijl

   <annabbott> ok Michiel!

   bgaraventa1979: I'm for the aria solutions, because we can
   point people at one spec.

   mck: so not the fieldset idea?

   bgaraventa1979: yeah for now

   IanPouncey: I'm fine with that, if it's good enough.

   Jon: what does the ARIA 5.1 spec say?

   mck: you mean what it says in the mapping guide?

   jongund: how stable is that document?

   <LJWatson> HTML5.1 ARIA: [10]http://www.w3.org/TR/html-aria/

     [10] http://www.w3.org/TR/html-aria/

   mck: I don't know, exspect it as we go through there would be
   adjustments

   jongund: I meant fundamental changes

   LJWatson: what are we looking for in the mapping that would mix
   things up?
   ... the a11y name calculation looks at the a11y tree

   mck: there is nothing that says it would be dependent on the
   content

   <jongund> [11]http://www.w3.org/TR/html-aam-1.0/

     [11] http://www.w3.org/TR/html-aam-1.0/

   <jongund> [12]http://www.w3.org/TR/accname-aam-1.1/

     [12] http://www.w3.org/TR/accname-aam-1.1/

   <LJWatson> HTML checked state test cases
   [13]http://ljwatson.github.io/test-cases/checked-state/case.htm
   l

     [13] http://ljwatson.github.io/test-cases/checked-state/case.html

   mck: you're saying that in firefox the mixed state is not
   supported at all?
   ... native windows checkboxes do
   ... let's make a descission
   ... our initial goal was to show aria usage
   ... we have three examples that are all aria
   ... the only thing that got us in this discussion was the
   labeling technique
   ... like the idea to use fieldset and legend for the labelling
   technique
   ... with minimal amount of aria scripting
   ... and still get their three state checkbox
   ... any objections?
   ... no objection, jemma can you make the change?

   <jongund> I have to go

   <Birkir> In ARIA 1.0 aria-checked is actually not allowed on
   the checkbox role, this was fixed in ARIA 1.1, one of my
   favorite oddities.

   <Birkir> html label applied to a simulated form field sod not
   appear to work, at least with Jaws in IE/FF,

   <Birkir> This code does not announce as expected (Jaws guesses
   label from nearest paragraph, not fromt he associated label):
   <label for="ch1">Are you able to vote?</label> <p>Are you a man
   or a mouse?</p> <span role="checkbox" aria-checked="false"
   id="ch1"></span>

   [14]http://dir.agosto.nl/accessibility/examples/Alert/index.htm
   l

     [14] http://dir.agosto.nl/accessibility/examples/Alert/index.html

   mck: Michiel you had an alert example?

   MichielBijl: correct
   ... it shows an alert after two seconds

   <jemma> this is the link to example.js file which outputs html
   code to the template page.

   <jemma>
   [15]https://github.com/a11ydoer/practices/blob/master/examples/
   js/examples.js

     [15] https://github.com/a11ydoer/practices/blob/master/examples/js/examples.js

   <jemma>
   [16]https://github.com/a11ydoer/aria/blob/master/practices/exam
   ples/js/examples.js

     [16] https://github.com/a11ydoer/aria/blob/master/practices/examples/js/examples.js

   Here is the alert example PR:
   [17]https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/105

     [17] https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/105

   <jemma>
   [18]https://github.com/w3c/aria/tree/master/practices/examples/
   js

     [18] https://github.com/w3c/aria/tree/master/practices/examples/js

   [19]https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/98

     [19] https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/98

   안녕하세요

   <jemma> 안녕

Summary of Action Items

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