Re: Updated slider example for APG discussion

John, very nice.

Interesting how JAWS says "up down slider". The default orientation is 
horizontal for slider, right? Wonder what would happen if you make it 
explicitly horizontal with aria-orientation.

Given that down arrow moves it right and end moves it right, I think 
PageDown should move it right. Currently, PageDown is moving it left. 
Inverse true for PageUp.

Matt King
IBM Senior Technical Staff Member
I/T Chief Accessibility Strategist
IBM BT/CIO - Global Workforce and Web Process Enablement 
Phone: (503) 578-2329, Tie line: 731-7398
mattking@us.ibm.com



From:   "Gunderson, Jon R" <jongund@illinois.edu>
To:     Matthew King/Fishkill/IBM@IBMUS, Cynthia Shelly 
<cyns@microsoft.com>, 
Cc:     "public-pfwg@w3.org" <public-pfwg@w3.org>
Date:   03/24/2015 08:09 AM
Subject:        Re: Updated slider example for APG discussion



I have updated the slider example based on yesterdays discussion.

http://jongund.github.io/aria-examples/slider/slider-1.html


Jon


From: <Gunderson>, Jon Gunderson <jongund@illinois.edu>
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 9:10 AM
To: Matthew King <mattking@us.ibm.com>, Cynthia Shelly <cyns@microsoft.com
>
Cc: "public-pfwg@w3.org" <public-pfwg@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Updated slider example for APG discussion

Shelly,

I agree with Matt there should be something between nothing and a mandates 
to AT.

This is where at least some information on current experience with 
different OS/Browser/AT would be helpful.

For example Safari/Voice Over just speaks percentages for the default 
slider implementation, so there users don’t know the current numerical 
value or max/min values.  In  JAWS and NVDA on windows tell you the 
numeric values but not the max/min.

This information maybe useful to developers to decide if they want to use 
aria-valuetext to have a ore consistent experience to users across 
platforms.

Jon


From: Matthew King <mattking@us.ibm.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 6:41 AM
To: Cynthia Shelly <cyns@microsoft.com>
Cc: Jon Gunderson <jongund@illinois.edu>, "public-pfwg@w3.org" <
public-pfwg@w3.org>
Subject: RE: Updated slider example for APG discussion

Cynthia,

We have made a decision not to do this in the APG taskforce because we 
understand it is not our place to "dictate screen reader behavior." We 
believe that screen reader developers want to work with end users of their 
products to assess adequacy and/or competitive advantage.

I believe there may be some middle ground  between dictating acceptable 
output and nothing that would be helpful, but the taskforce consensus is 
not to attempt to tackle that question at this time.

Matt King
IBM Senior Technical Staff Member
I/T Chief Accessibility Strategist
IBM BT/CIO - Global Workforce and Web Process Enablement 
Phone: (503) 578-2329, Tie line: 731-7398
mattking@us.ibm.com



From:        Cynthia Shelly <cyns@microsoft.com>
To:        "Gunderson, Jon R" <jongund@illinois.edu>, "public-pfwg@w3.org" 
<public-pfwg@w3.org>, 
Date:        03/23/2015 06:11 PM
Subject:        RE: Updated slider example for APG discussion



HI Jon,
Have you documented what the expected screen-reader output is for these 
sliders? I’m trying to figure out if the experience in Windows 10 is 
acceptable.
 
Thanks,
Cynthia
 
From: Gunderson, Jon R [mailto:jongund@illinois.edu] 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 9:55 AM
To: public-pfwg@w3.org
Subject: Updated slider example for APG discussion
 
I have updated the slider example for the authoring practices guide (APG) 
and included some META information that hopefully we can discuss on the 
call today.
 
http://jongund.github.io/aria-examples/slider/slider-1.html

 
Jon
 
 
From: James Nurthen [mailto:james.nurthen@oracle.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 11:41 AM
To: public-pfwg@w3.org
Subject: Re: Agenda: Monday, 16 March 2015 WAI-PF ARIA Authoring Practices 
Guide Taskforce
 
Believe me - I have made the same mistake a number of times.
On 3/16/2015 9:38 AM, Gunderson, Jon R wrote:
Sorry, got mixed up with the ARIA call.
 
Jon
 
 
From: James Nurthen [mailto:james.nurthen@oracle.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 11:37 AM
To: Gunderson, Jon R; public-pfwg@w3.org
Subject: Re: Agenda: Monday, 16 March 2015 WAI-PF ARIA Authoring Practices 
Guide Taskforce
 
The meeting isn't for another 30 (well 25 now) minutes
On 3/16/2015 9:35 AM, Gunderson, Jon R wrote:
I tried calling the bridge and it would not let me in:
 
Something about a restriction.
 
Jon
 
 
From: James Nurthen [mailto:james.nurthen@oracle.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 11:34 AM
To: public-pfwg@w3.org
Subject: Re: Agenda: Monday, 16 March 2015 WAI-PF ARIA Authoring Practices 
Guide Taskforce
 
I think Matt is going to try to be there. His meeting should be done in 
time.


On 3/16/2015 9:05 AM, Ku, Ja Eun wrote:
Then are we cancelling the meeting today?
 
Jemma
 
From: Bryan Garaventa [mailto:bryan.garaventa@ssbbartgroup.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 11:01 AM
To: James Nurthen; public-pfwg@w3.org
Subject: RE: Agenda: Monday, 16 March 2015 WAI-PF ARIA Authoring Practices 
Guide Taskforce
 
I also have a conflicting appointment that may prevent me from attending, 
so it depends on how soon I can break free.
 
From: James Nurthen [mailto:james.nurthen@oracle.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 8:45 AM
To: public-pfwg@w3.org
Subject: Re: Agenda: Monday, 16 March 2015 WAI-PF ARIA Authoring Practices 
Guide Taskforce
 
Unfortunately I have been sick for the last 5 days and have a Doctor's 
appointment during the call time so if Matt cannot make it we will need to 
cancel the call.

Regards,
James
On 3/16/2015 5:25 AM, Matthew King wrote:
Reminder ... since I sent this a week ago.
There is a possibility I may not be able to attend today. If I do not 
show, James, I hope you will be available to lead the call.
I am at our Austin site teaching. I believe we will be done in time, but 
am not completely certain.



From:        Matthew King/Fishkill/IBM
To:        WAI Protocols & Formats <public-pfwg@w3.org>, 
Date:        03/09/2015 12:56 PM
Subject:        Agenda: Monday, 16 March 2015  WAI-PF ARIA Authoring 
Practices Guide    Taskforce 




Agenda for Monday, 16 March 2015  WAI-PF ARIA Authoring Practices Guide 
Taskforce 

Time: 10:00 AM US Pacific, 1:00 PM US Eastern 
duration: 1.5 hours 
Zakim Bridge: +1.617.761.6200, conference 92473 ("WAIPF") 
IRC server: irc.w3.org, port: 6665, channel: #aria-apg 

agenda: 

Agenda+ autocomplete http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#autocomplete


Agenda+ Combo box http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#combobox


Agenda+ Planning for next public working draft

Resources: 
APG 1.0 editors draft: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/

APG master in rawGit: 
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/practices/aria-practices.html

APG Open defects: 
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=Practices&list_id=45642&product=ARIA&resolution=---


APG Open issues: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/6


Matt King
IBM Senior Technical Staff Member
I/T Chief Accessibility Strategist
IBM BT/CIO - Global Workforce and Web Process Enablement 
Phone: (503) 578-2329, Tie line: 731-7398
mattking@us.ibm.com