Re: Question about "Implicit value for Role"

I am sorry this is confusing.  I don't know how else to ask the question.
In our specifications (e.g., ARIA 1.1) we say:

<h3>Implicit Value for Role</h3>
            <p>Many states and properties have default values.
Occasionally, the default value when used on a given role should be
different from the usual default. Roles that require a state or property to
have a non-standard default value indicate this in the "Implicit Value for
Role". This is expressed in the form "<code>state or property name</code>
is <code>new default value</code>". Roles that define this have the new
default value for the state or property if the author does not provide an
explicit value.</p>


My question is, if a role (e.g., chapter in DPub) had any information in
this field of its definition in the specification (e.g.,
aria-myNewState="true"), would that be inherited by any children of the
role (e.g., subchapter in DPub)?

Right now the javascript that auto-generates portions of the ARIA
specification(s) does not take this into account.  I am just trying to
figure out if it needs to.

Is that clearer?

On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Birkir Gunnarsson <
birkir.gunnarsson@deque.com> wrote:

> Shane, could you provide pseudo code to clarify?
> I am still a bit confused by the question.
> Are we talking about role or attribute?
> Would this help?
> http://www.w3.org/TR/aria-in-html/
> (the "implicit semantics" column)?
>
>
> On 3/24/15, Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com> wrote:
> > And specifically of the value of a field in a table in our
> specifications.
> > It is a field in the template for a role, and I am not clear if children
> of
> > a role should be inheriting whatever is in that field.
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 6:30 AM, Matthew King <mattking@us.ibm.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> The original question:
> >> > If there is data in the value for this field for a given role (e.g.,
> >> "select") and another role references that role as a superclass, should
> >> the
> >> new "child" role inherit those implicit values automatically?
> >> Example provided by James Craig:
> >> > role=alert has an implicit value of "assertive" so the author just
> >> > needs to write:
> >> >     role="alert"
> >> > Not:
> >> >     role="alert" aria-live="assertive"
> >>
> >> I still do not understand the original question given the example. I
> >> didn't even realize that there was a concept of value associated with
> >> ARIA
> >> roles., e.g., Alert has a value of assertive? Isn't it the live property
> >> that has the value, not the assertive role?
> >>
> >> The original question is asking about the value of a field.
> >>
> >> Matt King
> >> IBM Senior Technical Staff Member
> >> I/T Chief Accessibility Strategist
> >> IBM BT/CIO - Global Workforce and Web Process Enablement
> >> Phone: (503) 578-2329, Tie line: 731-7398
> >> mattking@us.ibm.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From:        James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>
> >> To:        Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com>, W3C WAI Protocols &
> Formats
> >> <public-pfwg@w3.org>,
> >> Date:        03/23/2015 10:26 PM
> >> Subject:        Re: Question about "Implicit value for Role"
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It's about authoring convenience. For example, role=alert has an
> implicit
> >> value of "assertive" so the author just needs to write:
> >>
> >>     role="alert"
> >>
> >> Not:
> >>
> >>     role="alert" aria-live="assertive"
> >>
> >> We document the "implicit values for roles," otherwise the default value
> >> would be the default for the attribute, which is "off" for aria-live.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 23, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Shane McCarron <*shane@aptest.com*
> >> <shane@aptest.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Actually, no.  I don't even know what "Implicit value for Role" means
> >> really.  I can guess, but I would have assumed it was only relevant in a
> >> host language context.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Matthew King <*mattking@us.ibm.com*
> >> <mattking@us.ibm.com>> wrote:
> >> Can you provide an example?
> >>
> >> Matt King
> >> IBM Senior Technical Staff Member
> >> I/T Chief Accessibility Strategist
> >> IBM BT/CIO - Global Workforce and Web Process Enablement
> >> Phone: *(503) 578-2329* <%28503%29%20578-2329>, Tie line: 731-7398
> >> *mattking@us.ibm.com* <mattking@us.ibm.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From:        Shane McCarron <*shane@aptest.com* <shane@aptest.com>>
> >> To:        "W3C WAI Protocols & Formats" <*public-pfwg@w3.org*
> >> <public-pfwg@w3.org>>,
> >> Date:        03/22/2015 05:24 PM
> >> Subject:        Question about "Implicit value for Role"
> >> Sent by:        *ahby@aptest.com* <ahby@aptest.com>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If there is data in the value for this field for a given role (e.g.,
> >> "select") and another role references that role as a superclass, should
> >> the
> >> new "child" role inherit those implicit values automatically?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Shane McCarron
> >> Managing Director, Applied Testing and Technology, Inc.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Shane McCarron
> >> Managing Director, Applied Testing and Technology, Inc.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Shane McCarron
> > Managing Director, Applied Testing and Technology, Inc.
> >
>



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Shane McCarron
Managing Director, Applied Testing and Technology, Inc.