Re: Action-1293 Proposal

My thumb up

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 2:25 AM, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com> wrote:

> Let's keep it long enough to be clear to authors. "row—" and "col—" are
> clear enough. "r—" and "c—" could be anything.
>
> On Mar 16, 2015, at 11:16 PM, Dominic Mazzoni <dmazzoni@google.com> wrote:
>
> I think it should be rowcount, colcount, rowindex, and colindex.
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Alexander Surkov <
> surkov.alexander@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Rich, why not have rowcount and colcount, it's not much longer? But if
>> rcount and ccount then why not rindex and cindex?
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps. I was trying to be consistent but perhaps the names are too
>>> close. I will change the name from rsize to rcount and csize to ccount.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rich Schwerdtfeger
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From:   Matthew King/Fishkill/IBM@IBMUS
>>> To:     Alexander Surkov <surkov.alexander@gmail.com>
>>> Cc:     Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>, PF <public-pfwg@w3.org>,
>>> Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
>>> Date:   03/10/2015 12:30 PM
>>> Subject:        Re: Action-1293 Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Also, I would like more if aria-rsize and aria-csize were renamed to
>>> aria-rowsize and aria-colsize as more descriptive names.
>>>
>>> Could these be confusing names? aria-setsize tells the number of items in
>>> the set. Might people think that aria-rowsize is the number of items
>>> (cells or columns) in a row? And that aria-colsize is the number of items
>>> (cells or rows) in a column? Of course, they can read the fine spec...
>>> but
>>> they may just be reading code.
>>>
>>> I wonder if aria-rowcount and aria-colcount might be more descriptive?
>>>
>>> Matt King
>>> IBM Senior Technical Staff Member
>>> I/T Chief Accessibility Strategist
>>> IBM BT/CIO - Global Workforce and Web Process Enablement
>>> Phone: (503) 578-2329, Tie line: 731-7398
>>> mattking@us.ibm.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From:        Alexander Surkov <surkov.alexander@gmail.com>
>>> To:        Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS,
>>> Cc:        PF <public-pfwg@w3.org>, Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>
>>> Date:        03/10/2015 08:16 AM
>>> Subject:        Re: Action-1293 Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi, again. I think I have an addition to attributes definition, you gave,
>>> which would make me ok with attributes. Let me share it with you.
>>>
>>> aria-rowindex
>>>
>>> If aria-rowindex attribute value on the item is lesser than previous item
>>> row index then the attribute is ignored. If aria-rowsize attribute value
>>> is lesser then subsequent items number then the attribute is ignored.
>>>
>>> aria-colindex
>>>
>>> Same text as aria-rowindex plus "aria-colindex is ignored on any cell not
>>> belonging to the first presented row".
>>>
>>> Also, I would like more if aria-rsize and aria-csize were renamed to
>>> aria-rowsize and aria-colsize as more descriptive names.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Alex.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Alexander Surkov <
>>> surkov.alexander@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi. I still dislike the definition of aria-colindex
>>>
>>> "Defines an element's cell or gridcell column number or position in the
>>> current set of columns table"
>>>
>>> since it allows to move table cells in the table. You can easily do
>>> sorting:
>>>
>>> <table role="grid">
>>>   <row>
>>>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="8" aria-csize="16">A</td>
>>>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="7" aria-csize="16">B</td>
>>>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="6" aria-csize="16">C</td>
>>>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="5" aria-csize="16">D</td>
>>>   </row>
>>> ...
>>> </table>
>>>
>>> This statement is incorrect in case of IA2 and ATK
>>>
>>> "This property is not automatically caldulated by the user agent."
>>>
>>> because every cell has to have column and row index in these APIs, so if
>>> it's not provided by ARIA then the browser has to calculate it.
>>>
>>> Same concerns are applicable to aria-rowindex property.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Alex.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger <
>>> schwer@us.ibm.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> for role="row" add aria-rowindex and aria-rsize
>>> for role="cell" and gridcell add aria-colindex, and aria-csize
>>>
>>> aria-colindex (property)
>>> Defines an element's cell or gridcell column number or position in the
>>> current set of columns table, grid, or treegrid. See related aria-csize.
>>> This property is not automatically caldulated by the user agent. The
>>> default value is -1 which means indeterminant.
>>> The following example shows columns 5 through 8 in a set of 16.
>>> <table role="grid">
>>>   <row>
>>>      <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="5" aria-csize="16">A</td>
>>>      <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="6" aria-csize="16">B</td>
>>>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="7" aria-csize="16">C</td>
>>>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="8" aria-csize="16">D</td>
>>>   </row>
>>> ...
>>> </table>
>>>
>>> aria-rowindex (property)
>>>
>>> Defines a element's row number or position in the current set of rows
>>> table, grid, or treegrid. It is not required if all row elements in the
>>> set are present in the DOM. See related aria-rsize
>>>
>>> If all items in a set are present in the document structure, it is not
>>> necessary to set this attribute, as the user agent can automatically
>>> calculate the set size and position for each item. However, if only a
>>> portion of the set is present in the document structure at a given
>>> moment,
>>> this property is needed to provide an explicit indication of an element's
>>> position.
>>>
>>> When applied to an element having a role of "row" the user agent must
>>> expose the proprety to assistive technologies on all descendant cells and
>>> gridcells in addition to the row it is applied to.
>>> The following example shows rows 3 through 5 in a set of 5.
>>> <table>
>>>   <row aria-rowindex="3" aria-rsize="5">
>>>      <td>A</td>
>>>      <td>B</td>
>>>      <td>C</td>
>>>   </row>
>>>   <row aria-rowindex="4" aria-rsize="5">
>>>      <td>A</td>
>>>      <td>B</td>
>>>      <td>C</td>
>>>   </row>
>>>   <row aria-rowindex="5" aria-rsize="5">
>>>      <td>A</td>
>>>      <td>B</td>
>>>      <td>C</td>
>>>   </row>
>>> </table>
>>>
>>> aria-csize (property)
>>>
>>> Defines the number of columns in the current table or grid's set of
>>> columns.
>>> This property is marked on the members of a set, not the container
>>> element
>>> that collects the members of the set. To orient the user by saying an
>>> element is "item X out of Y," the assistive technologies would use X
>>> equal
>>> to the aria-colindex attribute and aria-csize equal to the aria-colsize
>>> attribute.
>>> This property is not automatically caldulated by the user agent. The
>>> default value is -1 which means indeterminate.
>>> The following example shows items 5 through 8 in a set of 16.
>>> <table role="grid">
>>>   <row>
>>>      <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="5" aria-csize="16">A</td>
>>>      <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="6" aria-csize="16">B</td>
>>>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="7" aria-csize="16">C</td>
>>>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="8" aria-csize="16">D</td>
>>>   </row>
>>> ...
>>> </table>
>>>
>>> aria-rsize (property)
>>>
>>> Defines the number of rows in the current set of rows within a table,
>>> grid, or treegrid. Not required if all elements in the set are present in
>>> the DOM. See related aria-posinset.
>>> This property is marked on rows, or cells or gridcells contained within
>>> the containing row. To orient the user by saying an element is "item X
>>> out
>>> of Y," the assistive technologies would use X equal to the aria-rowindex
>>> attribute and Y equal to the aria-rsize attribute.
>>> If all items in a set are present in the document structure, it is not
>>> necessary to set this property, as the user agent can automatically
>>> calculate the set size and position for each item. However, if only a
>>> portion of the set is present in the document structure at a given moment
>>> (in order to reduce document size), this property is needed to provide an
>>> explicit indication of set size.
>>>
>>> When applied to an element having a role of "row" the user agent must
>>> expose the proprety to assistive technologies on all descendant cells and
>>> gridcells unless overridden by  applying the property directly to a
>>> descendant cell or gridcell.
>>> The following example shows rows 3 through 5 in a set of 5.
>>> <table>
>>>   <row aria-rowindex="3" aria-rsize="5">
>>>      <td>A</td>
>>>      <td>B</td>
>>>      <td>C</td>
>>>   </row>
>>>   <row aria-rowindex="4" aria-rsize="5">
>>>      <td>A</td>
>>>      <td>B</td>
>>>      <td>C</td>
>>>   </row>
>>>   <row aria-rowindex="5" aria-rsize="5">
>>>      <td>A</td>
>>>      <td>B</td>
>>>      <td>C</td>
>>>   </row>
>>> </table>
>>>
>>> Note: need to coordinate with Steve Faulkner new native host language
>>> semantics for TD and Table elements.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rich Schwerdtfeger
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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