Re: Action-1293 Proposal

I think it should be rowcount, colcount, rowindex, and colindex.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Alexander Surkov <
surkov.alexander@gmail.com> wrote:

> Rich, why not have rowcount and colcount, it's not much longer? But if
> rcount and ccount then why not rindex and cindex?
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps. I was trying to be consistent but perhaps the names are too
>> close. I will change the name from rsize to rcount and csize to ccount.
>>
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>> Rich Schwerdtfeger
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>> From:   Matthew King/Fishkill/IBM@IBMUS
>> To:     Alexander Surkov <surkov.alexander@gmail.com>
>> Cc:     Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>, PF <public-pfwg@w3.org>,
>> Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
>> Date:   03/10/2015 12:30 PM
>> Subject:        Re: Action-1293 Proposal
>>
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>> > Also, I would like more if aria-rsize and aria-csize were renamed to
>> aria-rowsize and aria-colsize as more descriptive names.
>>
>> Could these be confusing names? aria-setsize tells the number of items in
>> the set. Might people think that aria-rowsize is the number of items
>> (cells or columns) in a row? And that aria-colsize is the number of items
>> (cells or rows) in a column? Of course, they can read the fine spec... but
>> they may just be reading code.
>>
>> I wonder if aria-rowcount and aria-colcount might be more descriptive?
>>
>> Matt King
>> IBM Senior Technical Staff Member
>> I/T Chief Accessibility Strategist
>> IBM BT/CIO - Global Workforce and Web Process Enablement
>> Phone: (503) 578-2329, Tie line: 731-7398
>> mattking@us.ibm.com
>>
>>
>>
>> From:        Alexander Surkov <surkov.alexander@gmail.com>
>> To:        Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS,
>> Cc:        PF <public-pfwg@w3.org>, Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>
>> Date:        03/10/2015 08:16 AM
>> Subject:        Re: Action-1293 Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, again. I think I have an addition to attributes definition, you gave,
>> which would make me ok with attributes. Let me share it with you.
>>
>> aria-rowindex
>>
>> If aria-rowindex attribute value on the item is lesser than previous item
>> row index then the attribute is ignored. If aria-rowsize attribute value
>> is lesser then subsequent items number then the attribute is ignored.
>>
>> aria-colindex
>>
>> Same text as aria-rowindex plus "aria-colindex is ignored on any cell not
>> belonging to the first presented row".
>>
>> Also, I would like more if aria-rsize and aria-csize were renamed to
>> aria-rowsize and aria-colsize as more descriptive names.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Alex.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Alexander Surkov <
>> surkov.alexander@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi. I still dislike the definition of aria-colindex
>>
>> "Defines an element's cell or gridcell column number or position in the
>> current set of columns table"
>>
>> since it allows to move table cells in the table. You can easily do
>> sorting:
>>
>> <table role="grid">
>>   <row>
>>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="8" aria-csize="16">A</td>
>>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="7" aria-csize="16">B</td>
>>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="6" aria-csize="16">C</td>
>>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="5" aria-csize="16">D</td>
>>   </row>
>> ...
>> </table>
>>
>> This statement is incorrect in case of IA2 and ATK
>>
>> "This property is not automatically caldulated by the user agent."
>>
>> because every cell has to have column and row index in these APIs, so if
>> it's not provided by ARIA then the browser has to calculate it.
>>
>> Same concerns are applicable to aria-rowindex property.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Alex.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com
>> >
>> wrote:
>> for role="row" add aria-rowindex and aria-rsize
>> for role="cell" and gridcell add aria-colindex, and aria-csize
>>
>> aria-colindex (property)
>> Defines an element's cell or gridcell column number or position in the
>> current set of columns table, grid, or treegrid. See related aria-csize.
>> This property is not automatically caldulated by the user agent. The
>> default value is -1 which means indeterminant.
>> The following example shows columns 5 through 8 in a set of 16.
>> <table role="grid">
>>   <row>
>>      <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="5" aria-csize="16">A</td>
>>      <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="6" aria-csize="16">B</td>
>>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="7" aria-csize="16">C</td>
>>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="8" aria-csize="16">D</td>
>>   </row>
>> ...
>> </table>
>>
>> aria-rowindex (property)
>>
>> Defines a element's row number or position in the current set of rows
>> table, grid, or treegrid. It is not required if all row elements in the
>> set are present in the DOM. See related aria-rsize
>>
>> If all items in a set are present in the document structure, it is not
>> necessary to set this attribute, as the user agent can automatically
>> calculate the set size and position for each item. However, if only a
>> portion of the set is present in the document structure at a given moment,
>> this property is needed to provide an explicit indication of an element's
>> position.
>>
>> When applied to an element having a role of "row" the user agent must
>> expose the proprety to assistive technologies on all descendant cells and
>> gridcells in addition to the row it is applied to.
>> The following example shows rows 3 through 5 in a set of 5.
>> <table>
>>   <row aria-rowindex="3" aria-rsize="5">
>>      <td>A</td>
>>      <td>B</td>
>>      <td>C</td>
>>   </row>
>>   <row aria-rowindex="4" aria-rsize="5">
>>      <td>A</td>
>>      <td>B</td>
>>      <td>C</td>
>>   </row>
>>   <row aria-rowindex="5" aria-rsize="5">
>>      <td>A</td>
>>      <td>B</td>
>>      <td>C</td>
>>   </row>
>> </table>
>>
>> aria-csize (property)
>>
>> Defines the number of columns in the current table or grid's set of
>> columns.
>> This property is marked on the members of a set, not the container element
>> that collects the members of the set. To orient the user by saying an
>> element is "item X out of Y," the assistive technologies would use X equal
>> to the aria-colindex attribute and aria-csize equal to the aria-colsize
>> attribute.
>> This property is not automatically caldulated by the user agent. The
>> default value is -1 which means indeterminate.
>> The following example shows items 5 through 8 in a set of 16.
>> <table role="grid">
>>   <row>
>>      <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="5" aria-csize="16">A</td>
>>      <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="6" aria-csize="16">B</td>
>>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="7" aria-csize="16">C</td>
>>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="8" aria-csize="16">D</td>
>>   </row>
>> ...
>> </table>
>>
>> aria-rsize (property)
>>
>> Defines the number of rows in the current set of rows within a table,
>> grid, or treegrid. Not required if all elements in the set are present in
>> the DOM. See related aria-posinset.
>> This property is marked on rows, or cells or gridcells contained within
>> the containing row. To orient the user by saying an element is "item X out
>> of Y," the assistive technologies would use X equal to the aria-rowindex
>> attribute and Y equal to the aria-rsize attribute.
>> If all items in a set are present in the document structure, it is not
>> necessary to set this property, as the user agent can automatically
>> calculate the set size and position for each item. However, if only a
>> portion of the set is present in the document structure at a given moment
>> (in order to reduce document size), this property is needed to provide an
>> explicit indication of set size.
>>
>> When applied to an element having a role of "row" the user agent must
>> expose the proprety to assistive technologies on all descendant cells and
>> gridcells unless overridden by  applying the property directly to a
>> descendant cell or gridcell.
>> The following example shows rows 3 through 5 in a set of 5.
>> <table>
>>   <row aria-rowindex="3" aria-rsize="5">
>>      <td>A</td>
>>      <td>B</td>
>>      <td>C</td>
>>   </row>
>>   <row aria-rowindex="4" aria-rsize="5">
>>      <td>A</td>
>>      <td>B</td>
>>      <td>C</td>
>>   </row>
>>   <row aria-rowindex="5" aria-rsize="5">
>>      <td>A</td>
>>      <td>B</td>
>>      <td>C</td>
>>   </row>
>> </table>
>>
>> Note: need to coordinate with Steve Faulkner new native host language
>> semantics for TD and Table elements.
>>
>>
>> Rich Schwerdtfeger
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