Re: Discussion of adding table role vs using grid with aria-interactive=false in June 3, 2015 WAI-PF ARIA Caucus

table and cell are fine. Let's go with those as we seem to have reached a
majority. We need to get ARIA 1.1 done.


Rich Schwerdtfeger



From:	Matthew King/Fishkill/IBM@IBMUS
To:	PF <public-pfwg@w3.org>
Date:	06/04/2015 03:32 AM
Subject:	Discussion of adding table role vs using grid with
            aria-interactive=false  in June 3, 2015 WAI-PF ARIA Caucus



Today, the discussion of how to use ARIA to represent static tables
continues.

There are 2 radically different proposals on the table:

1. Use a property on grid to mark the grid as static or non-interactive.
Proposed text for this approach is in the matt-action1505 branch of the 1.1
spec [1]. This essentially makes the grid role dual purpose. It can
represent a structural table or an interactive grid.

2. Add table and cell roles for static tables.

In previous meetings, consensus leaned in the direction of option 1-- using
a property. Since then, on this list, there has been some concern expressed
with that approach.

Now is a good time to weigh in with your support or concerns.

I originally considered option 1 acceptable. However, after more thought, I
see a potentially significant problem. The states and properties that
should be supported on an interactive widget are different from those
supported on a structural widget. Without separate roles for table and
grid, there will not be any clear way within the specification to spell out
those differences. This would make the grid specification extremely
complex. The grid definition in the spec would have to have a list of
supported states and properties for when it is interactive and a separate
list for when it is not. We do not have any precedence for this.

We do have precedence for properties that affect mapping, e.g.,
aria-pressed, and aria-haspopup on button. But, those features do not
create a level of complexity similar to this proposal for tables.

Note that this discussion and option 1 above are not related to bug 27866
[2]. The name of the property in the option 1 proposal is unfortunately and
only coincidentally the same as that used in bug 27866.

[1]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/matt-action1505/aria/aria.html#aria-interactive

[2] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27866

Matt King
IBM Senior Technical Staff Member
I/T Chief Accessibility Strategist
IBM BT/CIO - Global Workforce and Web Process Enablement
Phone: (503) 578-2329, Tie line: 731-7398
mattking@us.ibm.com



From:        Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org>
To:        PF <public-pfwg@w3.org>,
Date:        06/03/2015 01:15 PM
Subject:        Agenda: June 3, 2015 WAI-PF ARIA Caucus



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Agenda:
      aria-selected action-1073
      https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1073[Matt]
      Tables continued
      Using bug tracking page
      https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIA/Tests/Browser_Bug_Tracking
      readonly checkboxes issue-712
      https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/712
      Switch role issue-713
      https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/713
      Review Open Action Items and Issues
      https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/17

References:

ARIA Test Plan Action Items:
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/5

UAIG Open Actions and Issues:
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10

ARIA Test Report:
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testreport?testsuite_id=1

Use Cases for Extended Descriptions:
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Use_Cases_for_Extended_Descriptions

Minutes Last Meeting:
http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-aria-minutes.html