ARIA Minutes for 23 July

Minutes from the ARIA teleconference of 23 August are provided below as text,
and are available as hypertext at:

http://www.w3.org/2015/07/23-aria-minutes.html


   W3C

                                                                                   - DRAFT -

                                                              Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference

23 Jul 2015

   Agenda

   See also: IRC log

Attendees

   Present
          Janina, Fred, MichaelC, Joanmarie_Diggs, Tzviya, Rich, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Michiel, Stefan, Bryan, Bryan_Garaventa

   Regrets
   Chair
          Rich

   Scribe
          janina

Contents

     * Topics
         1. ARIA Charter
         2. Issue-633
         3. Issue-651
         4. Key shortcut
         5. Open Actions
     * Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

   <trackbot> Date: 23 July 2015

   <richardschwerdtfeger> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Jul/0076.html

   <MichielBijl> I'll keep myself muted during my commute ;)

   <MichielBijl> I'll introduce myself when I'm home ;)

   <MichielBijl> Thanks!

   <scribe> scribe: janina

ARIA Charter

   rs: Out for review and balloting
   ... We have some negative comments
   ... Had errors, i.e. a misread of when 1.1 is finished

   janina: Please AC refs to follow through on balloting

   mc: SAP hasn't voted ...
   ... Ah, also Igalia
   ... Also Wiley

Issue-633

   issue-633?

   <trackbot> issue-633 -- listbox and tree may contain only static items; badly need interactive widgets that can contain interactive typed items -- open

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/633

   rs: Do we have wrong due date? October?

   mc: Believe due to vacation time

   rs: Can we advance this? We need to close 1.1

   <clown> action-1688?

   <trackbot> action-1688 -- James Nurthen to Draft proposal for aria-interactive -- due 2015-10-01 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1688

   rs: OK, next week

Issue-651

   issue-651?

   <trackbot> issue-651 -- Allow aria-invalid to specify more types of errors including custom errors -- raised

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/651

   action-1680?

   <trackbot> action-1680 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Draft aria-errormessage property for review - may be at risk in aria 1.1 though -- due 2015-07-16 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1680

   <richardschwerdtfeger> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#aria-errormessage

   js: Discussed at length last week, several comments on text
   ... I have now edited the text, removed notes, and merged

   rs: Should we categorize live region roles in spec? I cross-ref via APG always
   ... Any objection?

   mc: 5.3.5
   ... All there

   rs: Suggest cross link
   ... "May" is OK?

   js: Nurthen objected to "must"

   mc: Form being validated after submission, you want the results at the end, not item by item

   ts: Thinking about how might be used in assessments
   ... Not an error

   rs: Can just use alert, doesn't need to be error

   ts: Functionally works more like error

   rs: Does it need to be bound to something in content?
   ... Yes

   ts: Pointing out there are many scenarios

   rs: OK to use error even though not an error -- a best practices
   ... Could be assertive alert
   ... One needs to test, because you need to know whether alert/error will interrupt TTS speech, and is that OK?
   ... Any objection to revised text? OK for spec?

   [crickets]

   RESOLUTION: ARIA-Errormessage to spec

   close action-1680

   <trackbot> Closed action-1680.

   close issue-651

   <trackbot> Closed issue-651.

   js: Now we need mappings!

   rs: Lucky us!

Key shortcut

   mc: Did discuss -- I didn't want to make decisions without rs

   <MichaelC> Keyboard shortcut discussion last week

   mc: Decision to throw to TF

   rs: But this is not replacement for AccessKey

   <clown> action-1642

   <trackbot> action-1642 -- Michael Cooper to Create aria-keyshortcut proposal to group -- due 2015-06-11 -- CLOSED

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1642

   rs: Inconsistent across browsers, has many issues
   ... This one is documentation for users to inform what key sequences are available for a particular control

   <clown> issue-711?

   <trackbot> issue-711 -- Expose Keyboard Shortcut help information to ATs -- open

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/711

   janina: New AccessKey proposal is more elaborate, but unclear how it will move forward, and how quickly

   rs: Let's put it out for now
   ... Dominic following dom3 spec. Are there other gaps?

   [crickets]

   rs: What happens when multiple commands use the same shortcut? The author is responsible? But what happens?
   ... It's a bug

   js: Mashup is an example
   ... Expect this also applies to AccessKey

   mc: Even with due dillegence on mashup, things can change

   rs: Would you put shortcuts in on a mashup?

   mc: Often stand alone

   rs: typically in iframe
   ... Would need focus in iframe

   mc: Believe yes
   ... Seem to recall whether the spec intent is that shourtcuts bounded by their frame

   rs: Any objection to adding keyboard to spec?

   fe: Sighted users aren't made aware

   rs: Yes

   mc: I always prefer keyboard, especially on tablet
   ... Don't object to putting in spec, but expect a lot of feedback, and we should call it out

   rs: Yes, let's see what we get back
   ... AccessKey also not shown
   ... One could create a plugin to make them visible
   ... Best practices guidance for authoring would be useful

   <MichielBijl> I'm still wondering how this would work from an AT's perspective: do they announce them at the start of the page?

   rs: Including making them visible

   fe: May see underlined char

   mc: Matt still awol ... Needs to get back in touch
   ... James also much on vacation through August

   rs: Any concern with action for APG on this?

   <richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Nurthen provide guidance in authorthing practices for exposing aria-kbdshorcuts [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2015/07/23-aria-minutes.html#action01]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-1690 - Provide guidance in authorthing practices for exposing aria-kbdshorcuts [on James Nurthen - due 2015-07-30].

   mc: We have branch from Rich's proposal. OK to merge?

   [no objection]

   <MichaelC> aria-kbdshortcuts

   close issue-711

   <trackbot> Closed issue-711.

   <clown> issue-711

   <trackbot> issue-711 -- Expose Keyboard Shortcut help information to ATs -- closed

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/711

   rs: Lot got done while I was away! Thanks!

Open Actions

   open action-1380

   action-1380?

   <trackbot> action-1380 -- Joanmarie Diggs to #presentation should mention aria-hidden vs presentation role on raster and vector images in relation to ACTION-1379 --
   due 2015-06-25 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1380

   <clown> action-1379?

   <trackbot> action-1379 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to TAC should cover rendered descendants from external sources: svg, iframe, etc. (Compose text and get final review form
   ARIA subteam) -- due 2015-02-13 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1379

   fe: Existing APG already discusses this

   js: Link?

   action-1379?

   <trackbot> action-1379 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to TAC should cover rendered descendants from external sources: svg, iframe, etc. (Compose text and get final review form
   ARIA subteam) -- due 2015-02-13 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1379

   <fesch> http://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/images/

   js: Note from jcraig on what should happen in various scenarios

   <MichielBijl> I'm now on mic :)

   action-1405?

   <trackbot> action-1405 -- Joanmarie Diggs to For issue-526 modify spec. to allow non-global attrs to apply to host language elements having the correct aria semantics
   -- due 2015-06-25 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1405

   <joanie> "However, authors must only use non-global states and properties on elements with a role supporting the state or property; either defined as an explicit
   WAI-ARIA role, **or as defined by the host language semantic matching an appropriate WAI-ARIA role**."

   <joanie> (emphasis added)

   rs: So, that's it!

   close action-1405

   <trackbot> Closed action-1405.

   action-1454?

   <trackbot> action-1454 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Add aria-hasannotation attribute with values: comment, footnote, endnote, reference, insertion, deletion, modification,
   true, false, more where aria-hasannotation has only one value at a time -- due 2014-06-23 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1454

   rs: Thought we put this to 2.0

   <clown> issue-655

   <trackbot> issue-655 -- Consider creating annotations roles for comments, spell-check errors, etc -- open

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/655

   Also moving action-1455 for 2.0

   Michael will file bug with sysreq

   action-1466?

   <trackbot> action-1466 -- James Craig to "used in or inherits into roles" should include required states and properties -- due 2014-06-30 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1466

   jd: Believe I have handled this with Shane, but will double-check

   rs: New due

   jd: Looking now

   rs: If it's fixed, go ahead and close. We don't need to circle back

   action-1467?

   <trackbot> action-1467 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose edit to issue-522: clarify presentation mentions in TAC -- due 2014-07-07 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1467

   issue-522?

   <trackbot> issue-522 -- Name Computation 2A - bullet 3 confusion -- open

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/522

   <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/accname-aam/accname-aam.html#step2D

   mc: Same bug !

   action-1466?

   <trackbot> action-1466 -- James Craig to "used in or inherits into roles" should include required states and properties -- due 2014-07-31 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1466

   jd: This is mine

   action-1475?

   <trackbot> action-1475 -- Cynthia Shelly to Work with michael c. and joseph s. to create up to 4 accessibility diagrams showing the application (before and after) of
   applying role=“presentation”/none -- due 2015-09-25 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1475

   action-1488?

   <trackbot> action-1488 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Propose spec text for allowing aria-setsize="999+" format change for issue-397 -- due 2014-10-29 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1488

   jd: Will do for next week
   ... Need to refresh group thinking on this ...

   action-1489?

   <trackbot> action-1489 -- Michael Cooper to Propose spec text to limit what aria attributes can be overridden by strong native semantics (e.g., aria-label and
   aria-labelledby) -- due 2015-08-16 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1489

   s: Oops, august!

   action-1498?

   <trackbot> action-1498 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Draft "term" role (related to html dfn/dt elements) in addition to the 1.0 "definition" (equiv to html dd element) -- due
   2014-09-30 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1498

   <MichielBijl> Yes

   jd: This from before we started using branches ...
   ... Will do for next week

   rs: Next an APG -- should not be here ...

   action-1528?

   <trackbot> action-1528 -- Alexander Surkov to Bolter to investigate the proper ia2 mappings for aria-current -- due 2014-11-18 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1528

   rs: Is this done?

   js: Yes
   ... Oops, no. Not done. Has text needing review

   <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaCurrent

   <MichielBijl> It's connected to ISSUE-435

   action-1537?

   <trackbot> action-1537 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Research pulling together a group to address some aapi extensions e.g., getcomputedrole -- due 2014-12-01 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1537

   rs: What happened here?
   ... We want computed role and computed name in browser, and asked Web Apps for it
   ... Will follow up with Web Apps

   action-1560?

   <trackbot> action-1560 -- Stefan Schnabel to Email list with discussion of on/off value labels (maybe valuetext?) and extending value descriptions to other controls
   -- due 2015-01-22 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1560

   action-1567?

   <trackbot> action-1567 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Fix inconsistencies in linking to glossary items -- due 2015-03-19 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1567

   close action-1568

   <trackbot> Closed action-1568.

   action-1578?

   <trackbot> action-1578 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Discuss issue-700 in aria task force meeting. -- due 2015-02-17 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1578

   issue-700?

   <trackbot> issue-700 -- Discuss rowgroup, tbody, and thead in aapis -- open

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/700

   js: Discussed in api mtgs
   ... If clickable, should be mapped

   <joanie> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146239

   js: I filed Safari bug where were interactive

   rs: So not this mtg

   js: Jcraig objected to row group ever being mapped
   ... i.e. only occurs in a presentation scenario
   ... Not sure that's the issue
   ... Can see where would never occur in presentation context
   ... Don't believe spec needs to change over this ...

   rs: I don't agree with the note ... ...
   ... You still get inheritance, even without row group

   js: yes

   <clown> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146239

   <clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#presentation

   action-1581?

   <trackbot> action-1581 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Create a proposal for a panel role and modify the group role to be more generic -- due 2015-03-26 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1581

   rs: ARe we having panel role?

   jd: Believe it's messy and we shouldn't
   ... Don't believe we can make our current group more generic

   rs: Any objection to closing?

   [crickets]

   RESOLUTION: Group role is sufficiently generic and has been implemented as such across platforms, so no panel role is needed

   close action-1581

   <trackbot> Closed action-1581.

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Nurthen provide guidance in authorthing practices for exposing aria-kbdshorcuts [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/23-aria-minutes.html#action01]

   [End of minutes]
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Found Scribe: janina
Present: Janina Fred MichaelC Joanmarie_Diggs Tzviya Rich Joseph_Scheuhammer Michiel Stefan Bryan Bryan_Garaventa
Found Date: 23 Jul 2015
People with action items: nurthen

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