- From: Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com>
- Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 12:03:28 -0500
- To: "W3C WAI Protocols & Formats" <public-pfwg@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAOk_reEhf1iXAzfdk4cwD30gGLt+rXYM3PQwH_9dYDATGch9VA@mail.gmail.com>
Minutes from this meeting are available at
http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html
A text version is included here:
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- DRAFT -Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference15 Jul 2015
See also: IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-irc>
Attendees
PresentJanina, Katie_Haritos-Shea, MichaelC, ShaneM, JamesNRegretsJohnF,
FredChairJaninaScribeShaneM
Contents
- Topics <http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#agenda>
1. preview agenda with items from two minutes
<http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#item01>
2. Actions Review (Specs)
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open
<http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#item02>
3. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
<http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#item03>
4. Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
<http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#item04>
5. Rechartering Progress
<http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#item05>
6. TPAC 2013 Update
<http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#item06>
7. MAUR Finalization (Redux)
<http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#item07>
8. Captcha, Multi-Factor Authentication Note Discussion
<http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#item08>
9. Driverless Accessibility User Requirements -- Preliminary
Discussion <http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#item09>
- Summary of Action Items
<http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#ActionSummary>
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<trackbot> Date: 15 July 2015
<janina> agenda: this
<janina> chair: Janina
preview agenda with items from two minutes
<scribe> Scribenick: ShaneM
ShaneM: Second Screen Working Group is reviewing their presentation API
draft against the MAUR and will get back to the PFWG in Septemberl
Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open
<MichaelC> action-1631 due 1 week
<trackbot> Set action-1631 Review credential management level 1
http://www.w3.org/tr/credential-management-1/ due date to 2015-07-22.
<MichaelC> action-1631: Shane has comments from Manu Sporny to process
<trackbot> Notes added to action-1631 Review credential management level 1
http://www.w3.org/tr/credential-management-1/.
<http://www.w3.org/tr/credential-management-1/>
<MichaelC> action-1669?
<trackbot> action-1669 -- Katie Haritos-Shea to Look at data on the web
best practices http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/ -- due 2015-07-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1669
<MichaelC> action-1669:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Jul/0029.html
<trackbot> Notes added to action-1669 Look at data on the web best
practices http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/. <http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/>
<Ryladog> http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/
Ryladog: what I recommended is that they add to the diagram about "data on
the web challenges"
... ACA requires some meaningful use rules about electronic health records
and A11Y
... suggested they add something about data formats to include one WCAG 2
conforming data type
... or include the information elsewhere in the document
MichaelC: the question is what makes a data format conforming to WCAG 2?
<janina> OK to DOM4
cynthia: Concerned about proprietary
jamesn: How can a data format be accessible? Isn't it hidden?
MichaelC: WCAG cares about whether the data can be presented to the user
... if we tell them this they are going to ask what to do. What do we tell
them?
Ryladog: that's why I mentioned plain text or CSV
MichaelC: That's fine - just don't mention WCAG then.
cyns: Plain formats do assist the user agent in helping information be
exposed.
... you might want to look at the WCAG accessibility supported stuff
janina: you might want to refer to these minutes so it is clear that we
discussed it when you talk to them
MichaelC: Note that this is NOT a last call.
new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
<MichaelC> CSS Basic User Interface Module Level 3 (CSS3 UI)
<http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-css-ui-3-20150707/>
MichaelC: I think that we want to review this
janina: what is the timeframe and who will look at it
MichaelC: this came up when talking about grid style sheets. We were
worried about DOM and navigation order
JanesM: There is a whole much of stuff in here that is of interest. Text
overflow...
MichaelC: "overflow ellipsis" which actually sounds interesting
<MichaelC> *ACTION:* cooper to review CSS Basic User Interface Module Level
3 (CSS3 UI) http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-css-ui-3-20150707/ [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1682 - Review css basic user interface module
level 3 (css3 ui) http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/cr-css-ui-3-20150707/ [on
Michael Cooper - due 2015-07-22].
MichaelC: I am interested in reviewing this but dont want to be the only
reviewer
<MichaelC> *ACTION:* nurthen to review CSS Basic User Interface Module
Level 3 (CSS3 UI) http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-css-ui-3-20150707/ [recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1683 - Review css basic user interface module
level 3 (css3 ui) http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/cr-css-ui-3-20150707/ [on James
Nurthen - due 2015-07-22].
JamesN: I am going to look at it anyway. Might not raise real comments.
MichaelC: Should have at least one other person
Cyns: timeline?
janina: I would like to do something by early August.
MichaelC: its about 50 pages.
Cyns: I could have something near the end of August...
<MichaelC> *ACTION:* cynthia to review CSS Basic User Interface Module
Level 3 (CSS3 UI) http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-css-ui-3-20150707/ - due 30
Aug [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1684 - Review css basic user interface module
level 3 (css3 ui) http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/cr-css-ui-3-20150707/ [on
Cynthia Shelly - due 2015-08-30].
<MichaelC> action-1684 due 27 Aug
<trackbot> Set action-1684 Review css basic user interface module level 3
(css3 ui) http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/cr-css-ui-3-20150707/ due date to
2015-08-27.
MichaelC: Make it due the 27th August. Put it on the agenda for that day
<MichaelC> action-1683 due 27 Aug
<trackbot> Set action-1683 Review css basic user interface module level 3
(css3 ui) http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/cr-css-ui-3-20150707/ due date to
2015-08-27.
<MichaelC> action-1682 due 27 Aug
<trackbot> Set action-1682 Review css basic user interface module level 3
(css3 ui) http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/cr-css-ui-3-20150707/ due date to
2015-08-27.
<MichaelC> Tracking Compliance and Scope
<http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-tracking-compliance-20150714/>
MichaelC: last call ends 7 October 2015
<MichaelC> *ACTION:* janina to manage review of
http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-tracking-compliance-20150714/ Tracking
Compliance and Scope (note explicit review request needs response)
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1685 - Manage review of
http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/wd-tracking-compliance-20150714/ tracking
compliance and scope (note explicit review request needs response) [on
Janina Sajka - due 2015-07-22].
<MichaelC> action-1685 due 29 July
<trackbot> Set action-1685 Manage review of
http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/wd-tracking-compliance-20150714/ tracking
compliance and scope (note explicit review request needs response) due date
to 2015-07-29.
ShaneM: I need a pointer to the problems about embedding content via CSS.
janina: might have discussed it at the CSS joint meeting in Santa Clara
MichaelC: we have been going back and forth on this. It isn't clear that it
is always a problem.
... there are philosophical reasons to not do it
janina: but we haven't resolved the issues with it so we prefer it is
avoided
MichaelC: the CSS object model accommodates embedded content but not sure
where that is with browser implementation
JamesN; WAI allows this already. the content gets included in the
accessible name calculation
scribe: it is true that it is less robust than having the content included
in the document.
... but conforming user agents expose the information through the
accessibility API
<MichaelC>
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=522
<MichaelC>
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=552
ShaneM: Sounds like modern user agents do this right. I am going to let it
go.
Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
<MichaelC> Accessible Online Learning Community Group
<https://www.w3.org/community/accesslearn/>
<MichaelC> Decentralized Sharing Community Group
<https://www.w3.org/community/decsharing/>
MichaelC: Seems dead
Rechartering Progress
janina: 15 more days to vote. AC reps please get your comments in!
TPAC 2013 Update
janina: no particular progress to report.
Cyns: who should I talk to about things to do in Sapporo?
MichaelC: Naomi Yoshizawa (sp?) I will forward an introduction email
MAUR Finalization (Redux)
JohnF has a matrix to update
janina has to send out an email to the commentors to review our resolutions.
Document is up to date.
Captcha, Multi-Factor Authentication Note Discussion
janina: could we add multifactor authentication to this? They are not
dissimilar
ShaneM: Good point - we should incorporate that
janina: there are a fair number of resources when we looked at this before.
Let's get a draft out before TPAC.
Driverless Accessibility User Requirements -- Preliminary Discussion
janina: when we have a meeting with them we could offer to do a DUAR
document.
... this is bigger than you think and sooner than you think
... we can provide the A11Y thinking and also interact with this new
working group
Summary of Action Items*[NEW]* *ACTION:* cooper to review CSS Basic User
Interface Module Level 3 (CSS3 UI)
http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-css-ui-3-20150707/ [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#action01]
*[NEW]* *ACTION:* cynthia to review CSS Basic User Interface Module Level 3
(CSS3 UI) http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-css-ui-3-20150707/ - due 30 Aug
[recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#action03]
*[NEW]* *ACTION:* janina to manage review of
http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-tracking-compliance-20150714/ Tracking
Compliance and Scope (note explicit review request needs response)
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#action04]
*[NEW]* *ACTION:* nurthen to review CSS Basic User Interface Module Level 3
(CSS3 UI) http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-css-ui-3-20150707/ [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#action02]
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