Minutes from the 1 July 2015 PFWG Meeting from Shane McCarron on 2015-07-01 (public-pfwg@w3.org from July 2015)

From: Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 12:08:47 -0500
To: "W3C WAI Protocols & Formats" <public-pfwg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <CAOk_reFPVC60vFD0fai=KLbYbEyr8JAb_uknrXqMJONqAD=8Sg@mail.gmail.com>
Draft minutes are available at http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-pf-minutes.html

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- DRAFT -Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference01 Jul 2015

Agenda <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Jun/0186.html>

See also: IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-pf-irc>
Attendees
PresentJanina, ShaneM, Joanmarie_Diggs, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Rich, MichaelC
RegretsGottfried_Zimmermann, John_FoliotChairJaninaScribeShaneM
Contents

   - Topics <http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-pf-minutes.html#agenda>
      1. preview agenda with items from two minutes
      <http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-pf-minutes.html#item01>
      2. Actions Review (Specs)
      http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open
      <http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-pf-minutes.html#item02>
      3. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
      <http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-pf-minutes.html#item03>
      4. Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
      <http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-pf-minutes.html#item04>
      5. Rechartering Continued
      <http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-pf-minutes.html#item05>
      6. TPAC 2013 Update
      <http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-pf-minutes.html#item06>
      7. ARIA.Next Items
      <http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-pf-minutes.html#item07>
      8. Other Task Force Updates; COGA; SVG; HTML-A11Y--HTML Reorganization
      <http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-pf-minutes.html#item08>
      9. WAPA & Web Apps Reorganization at W3C Discussion
      <http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-pf-minutes.html#item09>
   - Summary of Action Items
   <http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-pf-minutes.html#ActionSummary>

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<trackbot> Date: 01 July 2015

<janina> agenda: this
preview agenda with items from two minutes

<scribe> scribenick: ShaneM
Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/opennew
on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html

<MichaelC> XML Inclusions (XInclude) Version 1.1
<http://www.w3.org/TR/xinclude-11/>

Nothing interesting for PF

<MichaelC> Requirements for Hangul Text Layout and Typography
<http://www.w3.org/TR/klreq/>

Isn't there some korean a11y group that we talked about the other week?

MichaelC: Yes - but they are doing their work in korean so we can't easily
monitor it.
... only thing that might be concerning is low vision issues.

janina: Maybe this should wait until the new charters shake out. look at it
during TPAC.

MichaelC: multi-directional text might be interesting with low-vision.
... not clear if it is in our domain to worry about right now.

janina: there is a low vision task force that might get set up in WAI.
Maybe they should look at this?

MichaelC: We should explicitly recruit some CJK speakers into that task
force.

JamesN: Lisa is an expert in rtl languages - recruit her.

MichaelC: Hebrew / Arabic have different problems, but still.

<MichaelC> Navigation Timing 2 <http://www.w3.org/TR/navigation-timing-2/>
Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/

<MichaelC> *ACTION:* Katie to look at Data on the Web Best Practices
http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/ [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-pf-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1669 - Look at data on the web best practices
http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/ [on Katie Haritos-Shea - due 2015-07-08].

<MichaelC> Cryptoledgers Community Group
<https://www.w3.org/community/cryptoledgers/>

Katie: Web Paymentrs people are interested in this - it will pick up later

ShaneM: I will be watching this as part of WPIG, Katie will too. Someone
will squawk of there are issues.

<MichaelC> Federated Infrastructures Community Group
<https://www.w3.org/community/omn/>
Rechartering Continued

janina: charters are done... not sure what the delay is.

MichaelC: Nothing to report.
TPAC 2013 Update

janina: hotel registration is available. Do that! It looks like it will be
well attended.

ShaneM: Renaissance Sapporo is the least expensive but will have
construction.

janina: The Renaissance will have shuttles

JamesN: The Holiday Inn downtown was < $40 a night for most nights.
... you don't want to change airports in Osaka nor in Tokyo. It is
difficult.

Basically there are lots of options on how to get to and from. Look around!

janina: Flying via Honolulu is not currently cost effective.
ARIA.Next Items

richardschwerdtfeger: voted to have ARIA DPUB go to FPWD
... extension process was not quite in place but moving along
... Rich has some todos that need to be done to get support for the
extension out there.
... ARIA taskforce reviews things, but will not be a bottleneck.
... ARIA 1.1 mapping etc. targeted at July 14 for a heartbeat.
... In the graphics module to scope things and decide what to deliver in
time for SVG 2.
... might want to introduce new navigational model stuff for directions.
But that will not be done in time.
... need to do an API mapping guide. Names / description mappings. SVG is a
little different from HTML.
... e.g., there can be a title attribute from SVG that differs from the one
from HTML. The browser willneed to choose which one to use.
... might also introduce a connector spec. How to map connections between
items in a graphics model (ala Vizio objects, for example)
... need to ensure that the same event model is implemented by all browser
vendors. tabindex + scripting and events mean you could implement
navigation via scripting.
... targeting getting done with all of this in 2016.
... annotation relationships. Moved to ARIA 2.0 but still important.
... error handling. There should be a way to expose keyboard shortcuts.
Things being discussed.
... test cases is going to be a big deal.

janina: Yes. ARIA 1.1 test issues need to get started soon. MichaelC has a
plan to make a plan.

richardschwerdtfeger: group has done a great job.
Other Task Force Updates; COGA; SVG; HTML-A11Y--HTML Reorganization

janina: COGA and SVG are doing well.
... HTML A11Y TF may need to morph into something different as the HTML
charter changes.
... webapps may take over the main work with a new name.
... as soon as there is a little more definition, we will need to readjust
what the task force is about and who it talks to.
WAPA & Web Apps Reorganization at W3C Discussion

janina: Community Groups may not be the best solution because there is no
staff support.

MichaelC: it turns out this is not a W3C policy. It is a WAI funding
position. The funding for the positions does not allow it.
... if other staff were available they could assist a community group.

Cyns: the thinking was that webapps workig group would be the place for
more mature things to go. Community groups would be a place to incubate
ideas.
... being the first poster child for using this model would be good on a
few levels.

katie: are you expecting or thinking about a spec? 'Cause community groups
can't produce specs.

Cyns: The thinking was that a CG would do something and then hand it off to
the working group when it was ready for FPWD.

MichaelC: THe process is that a CG can do a report, and then push that
report into a working group when it is ready.

janina: one thing I get asked is "who will be working on this?" I say
"Cynthia, Rich, Joanie, JamesN..." they are all a11y people. are there
others that plan to be involved?

Cyns: we haven't done recruiting yet.
... "hey we are doing things in the new model that you guys liked. Come
play. Also, because it is script not markup, we may get more interest. But
I am not sure. We need to do the recruiting.

janina: it is a concern that we need browser implementors involved.
... that's one of the reasons IndieUI did not complete.

Cyns: mozilla is the next group of people I will reach out to.
... don't know where Apple is at.

janina: Note that there are things from IndieUI that might get picked up
here.

Cyns: certainly a lot of the use cases are the same. No idea about
solutions. That's why it is in incubation.

janina: This will mature once the charters from the interaction domain get
sorted out.
... Kenny is a possible staff contact?

MichaelC: Judy is trying to work on how IndieUI fits into WAPA / WebApps
environment.

Cyns: "
... "Script based accessibility"

MichaelC: judy wonders whether there should be some fallback statement in
the ARIA charter

Cyns: That might introduce some drama.
... We are not talking about just any community group. We are talking about
working in a specific incubator community group.
Summary of Action Items*[NEW]* *ACTION:* Katie to look at Data on the Web
Best Practices http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/ [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-pf-minutes.html#action01]

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