minutes: Monday, 26 January 2015 WAI-PF ARIA Authoring Practices Guide Taskforce from Matthew King on 2015-01-26 (public-pfwg@w3.org from January 2015)

From: Matthew King <mattking@us.ibm.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:30:58 -0800
To: WAI Protocols & Formats <public-pfwg@w3.org>
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Matt King
IBM Senior Technical Staff Member
I/T Chief Accessibility Strategist
IBM BT/CIO - Global Workforce and Web Process Enablement 
Phone: (503) 578-2329, Tie line: 731-7398
mattking@us.ibm.com

W3C <http://www.w3.org/>


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  Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
  26 Jan 2015

See also: IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-aria-apg-irc>


    Attendees

Present
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Chair
    SV_MEETING_CHAIR
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    Contents

  * Topics <#agenda>
     1. spinbutton <#item01>
     2. slider <#item02>
     3. Slider (Multi-Thumb) (widget) <#item03>
     4. tooltip <#item04>
  * Summary of Action Items <#ActionSummary>

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<trackbot> Date: 26 January 2015

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#spinbutton

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#slider

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#tooltip

<scribe> scribe: matt King


      spinbutton

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#spinbutton

birkir: can not get the examples to work

MK: there is some keyboard description in the description field; should
it be a bug?

JN: OK with how it is written

JG: didn't include support for typing in a value in the OAA example.

JN: does the jQuery UI example work? seems to work for me.

<jnurthen> http://jqueryui.com/spinner/

Birkir: I was just talking about the dojo example and OAA example

<jongund> http://jqueryui.com/spinner/

JG: Just tested jQuery example with NVDA; it works.

<jongund> The JQuery spinner seems to work

JN: superfluous note about left/right arrows

<jnurthen> logged https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27897


      slider

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#slider

MK: What does it mean when it says you move the button to change the
value of the slider?

JG: are the buttons for the end values?
... should such buttons be ignored?

JN: we should use the word thumb instead of button

<Birkir> Does the thumb gets a thumbs up or thumbs down?

JN: let's introduce the concept of thumb with some kind of description
... we should use the terminology that others use.
... html5 type of range corresponds to slider
... Let's look at html5 spec description.

<jnurthen>
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/forms.html#range-state-(type=range)
<
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/forms.html#range-state-(type=range)
>

JN: looking at other descriptions from other sites so we can get
terminology used by others

AA: what about using the term value control?
... for the thumb?

<jnurthen> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27899

MK: can slider bbe either horizontal or vertical

JN: yes, they can be either
... they support aria-orientation
... default should be horizontal

MK: does home always go to min? or, could it go to max?

bryan: home would go to left in horizontal

MK: is it the case max is always on the right?
... I think we should cange wording to say that home goes to beginning
and end goes to end

AA: pacielo says that home goes to first and end to last

JN: go with the first and last slider


      Slider (Multi-Thumb) (widget)

<jnurthen> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27900

action bryan to raise Mozilla bug for firefox not reporting slider as
role for html5 range

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1570 - Raise mozilla bug for firefox not
reporting slider as role for html5 range [on Bryan Garaventa - due
2015-02-02].

slider multi-thumb pattern:

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#slidertwothumb

the description is A multi-thumb slider is a slider with multiple user
inputs designed to change the maximum and minimum range for an object it
controls. 

mk: I don't think this description is clear

this note:

If the current value of a slider crosses over one of the other sliders,
the tab order remains the same. Example. If a high range slider is moved
so that its current value is below the current value of a low range
slider, the thumb will visually appear to be before the low range
slider. This should not change the tab order of the slider. note end

does not agree with the text in the kb interaction that requires
constraints.

JN: I do not agree with the note; may be for ease of implementation
rather than ideal behavior.

mk: agree with James.

AA: this is different because tab keeps you inside the widget.

jn: there are many implementations that work way.
... reword the note to be less prescriptive and point out the issues.

mk: consider changing the text for kb interaction to remove constraint
language

jn: add words to make it less prescrriptive
... add the words typically constrained

<jnurthen> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27901

jn: aria-controls is specified; not sure it is useful

mk: we should strike that
... aria-controls is for controlling"another" widget on the page; not
for something inside the same widget.

jn: we can remove the note about aria-live as well


      tooltip

we will continue with tooltip next time.


    Summary of Action Items

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