- From: Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu>
- Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 12:11:08 -0500
- To: Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com>, W3C WAI Protocols & Formats <public-pfwg@w3.org>
Hi Rich,
Comments inline.
> The Accessibility API mapping team has been wrestling with cross
> platform challenges around how to expose generic containers that have
> no semantic meaning but which retain structure in the mapping of
> accessible content.
>
> Here are the issues:
>
> 1. <div> are not mapped with consistent mappings across all platforms.
> Some platforms map a div to a group (Safari and IE) while others map
> it to a panel (ATK-ATSPI) and others map it to a section (FF, Chrome).
>
The proper mapping for ATK/AT-SPI of <div> is ROLE_SECTION. The group
role is mapped to ROLE_PANEL. Which "others" are mapping <div> to a
panel with respect to ATK/AT-SPI?
See also the html-aam:
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/html-aam/html-aam.html#el-div
>
> 2. MacOSX maps <div> and to axGroup while role="group" which has real
> semantic meaning that the items mapped in the group have a real
> association associated with each other such as a group of associated
> text boxes. A div on its own has no semantic meaning other that to act
> as a generic container of stuff.
>
> 3. When applying role to presentation we have different role mappings
> based on the original structure of the content in HTML. For example,
> Firefox maps table cells to roles of "textbox" where list items get
> converted to paragraphs. ATK/ATSPI maps these to a PANEL role where
> MacOSX maps these to axGroup
>
For reference, here is the FF bugzilla, where Joanie requested that FF
treat presentation list items and cells as if they were <div>s. That
is, mapped to ROLE_SECTION:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1113153
>
> 4. HTML5 introduces a <section> element which maps to a region role
> yet unless it actually has a label associated with it it really has
> not semantic value. It really should be treated like a <div>
>
I don't believe the HTML5 spec for <section> requires a label; the
terminology is " Each section should be identified, typically by
including a heading".
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/sections.html#the-section-element.
So, without a heading or other label, a <section> is mapped as if it was
a <div>? Okay.
> 5. SVG is now using role group for containers having alternative text.
> Should these be sections or real groupings? This is a a concern. Again
> I believe wer are oveloading group semantics.
>
It depends on the contents of the group. If the children are a "... set
of user interface objects ...", then it satisfies the definition of
role="group". If it's a just a container, then it's either a
role="region" or something even more generic. Are there any SVG examples?
>
> What we need is a consistent implementation that does not confuse a
> generic section in the document with a semantic grouping and would fit
> well with section in HTML5.
>
> One proposal:
>
> 1. Map <div> to a role of section on all platforms or a single generic
> role on all platforms that says this is just an container and nothing more
>
What happens if the <div> has a label? For example: <div
aria-label="My Cool Block of Stuff"> ... </div>?
> 2. When applying role="presentation" map the semantic HTML structural
> alements to the role determined in 1
> 3. In HTML5 map <section> to the generic role in 1. and map it to
> region when a label is applied to it.
> 4. Regarding 1. for a Mac either make the generic container a new
> section role and leave axGroup for role="group" or make role="group"
> map to something different than axGroup and leave axGroup generic.
>
>
> Rich Schwerdtfeger
>
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