Minutes: December 18 WAI-PF ARIA Caucus

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http://www.w3.org/2014/12/18-aria-minutes.html


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- DRAFT - Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
18 Dec 2014


See also: IRC log


Attendees
Present
Regrets
Chair
      Rich
Scribe
      fesch
Contents
      Topics
         1. time of meeting
         2. describedat - discussion deferred until January
      Summary of Action Items



<trackbot> Date: 18 December 2014


<richardschwerdtfeger> Meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus


<richardschwerdtfeger>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Dec/0129.html



<scribe> scribe:fesch


<scribe> scribe: fesch


rs: svg task force is tomorrow, digital publishing task force up and
running too
... next meeting Jan 8, 2015


time of meeting


rs: Janina has a meeting an hour earlier, can't be in two places at one
time


<jongund> 1+


<jongund> +1


<clown> +1


<richardschwerdtfeger> +1


<joanie> +1


+1


janina: wants to wait until January 8, until we decide whether we have the
call earlier


<richardschwerdtfeger> RESOLUTION: Wait until january 8 decide whether to
make the call earler. Michael to set up a poll


describedat - discussion deferred until January


janinia: running grep - looking for user agent commands - in January


rs: rich's interest is with digital publishing


<bgaraventa1979> yay


<scribe> ACTION: 1440 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2014/12/18-aria-minutes.html#action01]


<joanie> action-1440


<trackbot> action-1440 -- Joanmarie Diggs to landmarks section uses "region
of page" in prose even though "region" is not a landmark -- due 2014-10-06
-- OPEN


<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1440



<richardschwerdtfeger>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Dec/0028.html



<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#region



<clown> +1


<jongund> +1


+1


<richardschwerdtfeger> Proposal: People agee with Matt’s proposal with
Rich’s revisions and Matt to come back with a revised proposal for January
8


<richardschwerdtfeger> +1


+1


<clown> +1


<bgaraventa1979> +1


<joanie> +1


Jd: wants Jame Craig's input


<richardschwerdtfeger> rs: agree


<richardschwerdtfeger> RS: note: this would remove the need for a concrete
landmark role


jd: question for Matt - region of a page - vs portion of a page?


mk: intentional as changes, work


action-1442


<joanie> action-1442


<trackbot> action-1442 -- Léonie Watson to Create spec. text for
aria-currentfor="IDREF" and aria-current="true/false", related to issue-587
-- due 2014-10-13 -- OPEN


<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1442



<trackbot> action-1442 -- Léonie Watson to Create spec. text for
aria-currentfor="IDREF" and aria-current="true/false", related to issue-587
-- due 2014-10-13 -- OPEN


<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1442



<richardschwerdtfeger>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Oct/0114.html



mk: not sure of state


<LJWatson>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Nov/0238.html



lw: we agreed don't need aria-currentfor - so just down to aria-current


cs: do simple case (aria-current) now ... (not aria-currentfor)


bg: can add a use case - test scores with criteria


lw: discussed text about aria-selected vs aria-current


rs: tab panels use aria-selected, should that change


mk: : at one time we were going to add warning about aria-selected vs
aria-current


lw: need to keep the attribute simple


mk: wonders about use case bg gave
... afraid of ambiguity that a author may believe is clear, but won't be
clear to the user


<jongund> Thats what I said


??


<richardschwerdtfeger> RS: What if we had an attribute called
aria-currenttext? Which provides informative help information regarding the
aria-current attribute to provide context


jg: asked about use -


lw: wants to keep it simple


<clown>
http://idrc.ocad.ca/index.php/research-and-development/ongoing-projects



<bgaraventa1979> +q


mk: aria is about semantics - answers jg question - list with item in list
styled - to show the current member of the set


bg: value of attribute - can be programmatically assigned


<jamesn> another use case for aria-current:
http://www.oracle.com/webfolder/ux/middleware/richclient/index.html?/webfolder/ux/middleware/richclient/guidelines5/train.html



<richardschwerdtfeger> RS: This is good for breadcrumbs


mk & bg discuss use -


cs: relays why something may be styled


PROPOSAL: Do we not need aria-currentfor


<richardschwerdtfeger> not now


+1


<LJWatson> +1


<joanie> +1


<jamesn> +1


<mattking> +1


<clown> +1 for now


<bgaraventa1979> agree for 'not now'


RESOLUTION: don't need aria-currentfor at this time


PROPOSAL: Do we need aria-currenttext to explain aria-current?


<mattking> it really depends on how global the aria-current attribute is.


<mattking> If aria-current is narrow in scope, the no.


<mattking> if aria-current is global in scope, then definitely yes


LW: aria-current would take a string instead of a boolean


mk: challenges for using a string for aria-current
... if aria-current needs to be in a navigation area, no need for a string,
if it can be used anywhere then may need a string


cs: would like to see it be able to be used in a decision tree etc


<jongund> +q


cs: wants to see it be able to used in a flow chart -


<LJWatson> -1 on aria-currenttext


<joanie> -1 on aria-currenttext


<richardschwerdtfeger> -1 on aria-currenttext


<clown> -1 on aria-currenttext


-1


<mattking> -1


<richardschwerdtfeger> CS: -1 on aria-currenttext


<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-invalid



PROPOSAL: aria-current takes a string token (enum), which represents the
purpose - like aria-invalid?


bg: would like to include true in the token list


<LJWatson> +1


<richardschwerdtfeger> +1


+1


<clown> +1 (if the token list includes "true" and "false", where "false" is
the default)


<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#valuetype_token



<mattking> suggested values could be "page", "step", , etc.


<mattking> need list of use cases for token development


RESOLUTION: aria-current can take a token, where two of the allowed values
are true and false


smokin'


rs: what token values do we want


all discussion of tokens:


token - page,


token, step


token - location (you are here)


<clown> token - true


rs: is this a good start we can add to?


<clown> token - false (default)


token -false


mk: AT vendors should take liberties with how tokens are expressed


PROPOSAL: Accept above list of token values?


<LJWatson> +1


<clown> +1


<richardschwerdtfeger> +1


<mattking> +1


<joanie> +1


+1


mk: should date/time be included in tokens now?


token - date


token time


no jokes on token time?


<LJWatson> +1


<clown> +1


+1


<richardschwerdtfeger> RS: values are: true, false, date, time, step, page,
location


<joanie> +1


<richardschwerdtfeger> +1


<LJWatson> +1


<mattking> +1


+1


<clown> +1


PROPOSAL: Do we agree aria-current is global?


<richardschwerdtfeger> +1


<LJWatson> +1


+1


<bgaraventa1979> +1


<mattking> +1


<clown> +1


<richardschwerdtfeger> janina: +1


<joanie> +1


<richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Leonie write revised proposal for
aria-current based on today’s meeting for issue 587 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2014/12/18-aria-minutes.html#action02]


<trackbot> Created ACTION-1548 - Write revised proposal for aria-current
based on today’s meeting for issue 587 [on Léonie Watson - due 2014-12-25].


Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: 1440 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2014/12/18-aria-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Leonie write revised proposal for aria-current based on
today’s meeting for issue 587 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2014/12/18-aria-minutes.html#action02]

[End of minutes]

Rich Schwerdtfeger