ARIA minutes for 27 August

Minutes from the 27 August teleconference of the ARIA Task Force are provided
below as text, and are available as hypertext at:

http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html

   W3C

                                                                                   - DRAFT -

                                                              Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference

27 Aug 2015

   See also: IRC log

Attendees

   Present
          jaeunjemmaku, fesch, Joanmarie_Diggs, janina, Tzviya, Rich, JamesNurthen, Bryan_Garaventa, MichielBijl, Joseph_Scheuhammer

   Regrets
   Chair
          Rich

   Scribe
          Janina

Contents

     * Topics
         1. aria-describedat details/summary
         2. Charter Status
         3. Action-1703
         4. action-1578
         5. action0-1646
         6. Action 1646
         7. action-1646
         8. open actions and issues
         9. issue-736
        10. Issue 736
     * Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

   <trackbot> Date: 27 August 2015

   <richardschwerdtfeger> Meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus

   <richardschwerdtfeger> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Aug/0083.html

   <richardschwerdtfeger> scribe: Janina

aria-describedat details/summary

   <richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.w3.org/2015/08/extended-description-analysis

   rs: details/summary still under examination as possible solution
   ... conversation ongoing with Microsoft re implementation in Edge
   ... Will also need a media querry property for hide/show config
   ... Believe will be OK if we can get implementation in Edge committed

Charter Status

   janina: No news today

   rs: Noting two formal objections

   janina: that's what's blocking, nothing else

Action-1703

   <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1703

   action-1703?

   <trackbot> action-1703 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Ask the aria task force about the need for a special figure role that would be brought up in a list of figures.
   also, discuss whether this would be a suitable default role for html figure. -- due 2015-08-21 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1703

   <Stefan> +q

   rs: valuable to retrieve a full list of figures in a doc
   ... rather like landmark, but for figures
   ... should it be applied to HTML figure

   stefan: yes, this would be valuable
   ... brings us more intune with host lang

   jd: wondering whether figure is typically like a diagram

   rs: yes

   fe: also usable in svg as a view
   ... a part of the larger graphic that could stand alone, with its own integral semantic value

   jd: so svg figure and html figure pretty parallel concepts

   rs: yes

   jd: then I agree

   fe: noting that svg "view" is a perspective representation
   ... applicable to "panel charts" -- a region that could stand alone, if desired

   rs: so a list of these would be helpful
   ... so does the TF support a figure role, and should we promote to html

   <fesch> +1 for figure role

   <joanie> +1 for figure role

   stefan: asking about fig-caption, etc

   rs: could use aria-label ... ...

   fe: fig-caption is optional for a texted explanation

   stefan: so the aria role could function as fig-caption substitute

   [agreement]

   rs: looking at html aam mappings for fig-caption ...

   stefan: concerned that we are able to distinguish one figure in the list from another

   rs: noting used in name calc -- noting edge support now
   ... so unique name or descript at the least
   ... proposing to intro a new figure element and can draft text

   <fesch> +1 for figure element

   rs: proposing we don't want to subclass region
   ... because region comes up in list of landmarks

   jd: for discussion -- why is figure not a landmark?

   rs: it actually is, but we want to be able to display them separately

   fe: could be wierd if it drops one into the middle of an svg

   stefan: wondering to what html figure is associated -- what's its parent?

   rs: unaware
   ... could subclass group potentially

   jd: aria-activedescendent inheritance problem if subclassed group

   <richardschwerdtfeger> RESOLUTION: Create a new role called figure that subclases the section role

   <richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Rich Create proposed text for a new figure role to Joanie to put in a brancth for review [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action01]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-1708 - Create proposed text for a new figure role to joanie to put in a brancth for review [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2015-09-03].

   <richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Rich get with Steve Faulkner to discuss the HTML figure element mapping to role figure [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action02]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-1709 - Get with steve faulkner to discuss the html figure element mapping to role figure [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2015-09-03].

   <richardschwerdtfeger> RESOLUTION: Close Action 1703

action-1578

   action-1578?

   <trackbot> action-1578 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Discuss issue-700 in aria task force meeting. -- due 2015-08-27 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1578

   <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/700

   <joanie> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146239#c7

   jd: last comment, awaiting response

   rs: I expect we're not creating a special role, correct?

   jd: yes

   rs: anything else to do with this?

   jd: no

   RESOLUTION: Close issue-700 as discussed and resolved to be an AAM concern

   action-1546?

   <trackbot> action-1546 -- David Bolter to Make sure the rowgroup mapping for msaa/ia2 is accurate -- due 2014-12-23 -- CLOSED

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1546

   close action-1578

   <trackbot> Closed action-1578.

action0-1646

   action-1646?

   <trackbot> action-1646 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Add clarifying text to readonly and required properties -- due 2015-06-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1646

   jd: done

Action 1646

   <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1646

action-1646

   jd: created a branch, and created text as follows:

   <joanie> While the columnheader role can be used in both interactive grids and non-interactive tables, the use of aria-readonly and aria-required is only applicable
   to interactive elements. Therefore, authors should not use aria-required or aria-readonly in a columnheader that descends from a table, and user agents should not
   expose either property to assistive technologies unless the columnheader descends from a grid.

   jn: if the only interactivity is sorting, is that necessarily a grid?

   jd: believe so

   jn: much overhead

   rs: unsure, not yet raised, but intend to raise deprecating grid

   jn: but requires a full kybd model

   rs: so how to get to the element to activate the sort?
   ... should it be navigable?
   ... what about a spreadsheet like table where only option is scroll?

   jd: still unclear what's wrong with my proposed text

   jn: think it's ok

   rs: ok

   RESOLUTION: Accept Joanie's response to Action-1646

open actions and issues

   action-1490

   <trackbot> action-1490 -- James Nurthen to Propose spec text edit for issue-610: comboboxes should allow complex children elements -- due 2014-10-06 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1490

   jn: it's the interactive thing ...

   rs: so we need matt, etc

   action-1537

   <trackbot> action-1537 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Research pulling together a group to address some aapi extensions e.g., getcomputedrole -- due 2015-08-27 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1537

   rs: many balls in the air, such as a new api as proposed by cynthia
   ... we set this out last tpac
   ... is this 1.1 or is it aria-2.0

   janina: not seeing a solid reason to keep this in 1.1

   jd: we need to feature freeze

   <MichielBijl> +1

   <JaEunJemmaKu> +1

   RESOLUTION: Move action-1537 to ARIA-2.0 to be resumed with the browser api work

   action-1676

   <trackbot> action-1676 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Remove directory as a superclass of tablist -- due 2015-07-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1676

   jd: why is directory a superclass of tablist?

   rs: a list of places to go???
   ... not an abstract class ... a list of references to members of a group

   bg: same mapping as list

   rs: is there inheritance problem somewhere?

   jd: discovered with marked interactive
   ... made wierd things happen

   rs: agree we need to postpone this to interaction discussion

   jd: should be closed "won't fix" for now ?

   action-1676

   <trackbot> action-1676 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Remove directory as a superclass of tablist -- due 2015-07-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1676

   action-1677

   <trackbot> action-1677 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Remove input as a superclass of scrollbar and select -- due 2015-07-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1677

   action-1675

   <trackbot> action-1675 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Remove list as a superclass of menu and listbox -- due 2015-07-07 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1675

   jd: should these stay open? or closed "won't fix" until we return to interactive discussion

   rs: could move to interactive issue
   ... related to inheritance cleanup
   ... moving to issue-633

   close issue-722

   <trackbot> Closed issue-722.

issue-736

   issue-736

   <trackbot> issue-736 -- aria-label overriding listitem and treeitem content when need to know content is valuable -- open

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/736

   <clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Aug/0087.html

Issue 736

   clown: would actually like to say "a list item sometimes requires a name"

   <joanie> jd: I believe in the case of ARIA, a listitem is never a widget.

   <joanie> jd: I think in ARIA, those objects would have role option.

   <joanie> jd: Role option should have a name required, of course.

   <joanie> jd: I don't think think an ARIA listitem is ever a widget. Furthermore, I think we don't want listitems to have names.

   <joanie> jd: In addition, we need to get in touch with Steve Faulkner because the original concern I raised with the extreme names was HTML related (an li element).

   rs: proposal to drop required and name from content
   ... need to vet this around as is significant

   <richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Rich get with Freedom Scientific to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists [recorded
   in http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action03]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-1710 - Get with freedom scientific to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists [on Richard
   Schwerdtfeger - due 2015-09-03].

   <richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Joseph Get with Alex Surkov to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action04]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-1711 - Get with alex surkov to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists [on Joseph
   Scheuhammer - due 2015-09-03].

   <richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Joanie Get with Apple to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action05]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-1712 - Get with apple to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists [on Joanmarie Diggs - due
   2015-09-03].

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Joanie Get with Apple to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action05]
   [NEW] ACTION: Joseph Get with Alex Surkov to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action04]
   [NEW] ACTION: Rich Create proposed text for a new figure role to Joanie to put in a brancth for review [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action01]
   [NEW] ACTION: Rich get with Freedom Scientific to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action03]
   [NEW] ACTION: Rich get with Steve Faulkner to discuss the HTML figure element mapping to role figure [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action02]

   [End of minutes]
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Found Scribe: Janina
Inddferring ScribeNick: janina
ddDefault Present: jaeunjemmaku, fesch, Joanmarie_Diggs, janina, Tzviya, Rich, JamesNurthen, Bryan_Garaventa, MichielBijl, Joseph_Scheuhammer
Present: jaeunjemmaku fesch Joanmarie_Diggs janina Tzviya Rich JamesNurthen Bryan_Garaventa MichielBijl Joseph_Scheuhammer
Found Date: 27 Aug 2015


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