- From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
- Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 14:02:49 -0400
- To: W3C WAI Protocols & Formats <public-pfwg@w3.org>
Minutes from the 27 August teleconference of the ARIA Task Force are provided below as text, and are available as hypertext at: http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html W3C - DRAFT - Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference 27 Aug 2015 See also: IRC log Attendees Present jaeunjemmaku, fesch, Joanmarie_Diggs, janina, Tzviya, Rich, JamesNurthen, Bryan_Garaventa, MichielBijl, Joseph_Scheuhammer Regrets Chair Rich Scribe Janina Contents * Topics 1. aria-describedat details/summary 2. Charter Status 3. Action-1703 4. action-1578 5. action0-1646 6. Action 1646 7. action-1646 8. open actions and issues 9. issue-736 10. Issue 736 * Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 27 August 2015 <richardschwerdtfeger> Meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus <richardschwerdtfeger> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Aug/0083.html <richardschwerdtfeger> scribe: Janina aria-describedat details/summary <richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.w3.org/2015/08/extended-description-analysis rs: details/summary still under examination as possible solution ... conversation ongoing with Microsoft re implementation in Edge ... Will also need a media querry property for hide/show config ... Believe will be OK if we can get implementation in Edge committed Charter Status janina: No news today rs: Noting two formal objections janina: that's what's blocking, nothing else Action-1703 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1703 action-1703? <trackbot> action-1703 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Ask the aria task force about the need for a special figure role that would be brought up in a list of figures. also, discuss whether this would be a suitable default role for html figure. -- due 2015-08-21 -- OPEN <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1703 <Stefan> +q rs: valuable to retrieve a full list of figures in a doc ... rather like landmark, but for figures ... should it be applied to HTML figure stefan: yes, this would be valuable ... brings us more intune with host lang jd: wondering whether figure is typically like a diagram rs: yes fe: also usable in svg as a view ... a part of the larger graphic that could stand alone, with its own integral semantic value jd: so svg figure and html figure pretty parallel concepts rs: yes jd: then I agree fe: noting that svg "view" is a perspective representation ... applicable to "panel charts" -- a region that could stand alone, if desired rs: so a list of these would be helpful ... so does the TF support a figure role, and should we promote to html <fesch> +1 for figure role <joanie> +1 for figure role stefan: asking about fig-caption, etc rs: could use aria-label ... ... fe: fig-caption is optional for a texted explanation stefan: so the aria role could function as fig-caption substitute [agreement] rs: looking at html aam mappings for fig-caption ... stefan: concerned that we are able to distinguish one figure in the list from another rs: noting used in name calc -- noting edge support now ... so unique name or descript at the least ... proposing to intro a new figure element and can draft text <fesch> +1 for figure element rs: proposing we don't want to subclass region ... because region comes up in list of landmarks jd: for discussion -- why is figure not a landmark? rs: it actually is, but we want to be able to display them separately fe: could be wierd if it drops one into the middle of an svg stefan: wondering to what html figure is associated -- what's its parent? rs: unaware ... could subclass group potentially jd: aria-activedescendent inheritance problem if subclassed group <richardschwerdtfeger> RESOLUTION: Create a new role called figure that subclases the section role <richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Rich Create proposed text for a new figure role to Joanie to put in a brancth for review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-1708 - Create proposed text for a new figure role to joanie to put in a brancth for review [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2015-09-03]. <richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Rich get with Steve Faulkner to discuss the HTML figure element mapping to role figure [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-1709 - Get with steve faulkner to discuss the html figure element mapping to role figure [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2015-09-03]. <richardschwerdtfeger> RESOLUTION: Close Action 1703 action-1578 action-1578? <trackbot> action-1578 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Discuss issue-700 in aria task force meeting. -- due 2015-08-27 -- OPEN <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1578 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/700 <joanie> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146239#c7 jd: last comment, awaiting response rs: I expect we're not creating a special role, correct? jd: yes rs: anything else to do with this? jd: no RESOLUTION: Close issue-700 as discussed and resolved to be an AAM concern action-1546? <trackbot> action-1546 -- David Bolter to Make sure the rowgroup mapping for msaa/ia2 is accurate -- due 2014-12-23 -- CLOSED <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1546 close action-1578 <trackbot> Closed action-1578. action0-1646 action-1646? <trackbot> action-1646 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Add clarifying text to readonly and required properties -- due 2015-06-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1646 jd: done Action 1646 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1646 action-1646 jd: created a branch, and created text as follows: <joanie> While the columnheader role can be used in both interactive grids and non-interactive tables, the use of aria-readonly and aria-required is only applicable to interactive elements. Therefore, authors should not use aria-required or aria-readonly in a columnheader that descends from a table, and user agents should not expose either property to assistive technologies unless the columnheader descends from a grid. jn: if the only interactivity is sorting, is that necessarily a grid? jd: believe so jn: much overhead rs: unsure, not yet raised, but intend to raise deprecating grid jn: but requires a full kybd model rs: so how to get to the element to activate the sort? ... should it be navigable? ... what about a spreadsheet like table where only option is scroll? jd: still unclear what's wrong with my proposed text jn: think it's ok rs: ok RESOLUTION: Accept Joanie's response to Action-1646 open actions and issues action-1490 <trackbot> action-1490 -- James Nurthen to Propose spec text edit for issue-610: comboboxes should allow complex children elements -- due 2014-10-06 -- OPEN <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1490 jn: it's the interactive thing ... rs: so we need matt, etc action-1537 <trackbot> action-1537 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Research pulling together a group to address some aapi extensions e.g., getcomputedrole -- due 2015-08-27 -- OPEN <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1537 rs: many balls in the air, such as a new api as proposed by cynthia ... we set this out last tpac ... is this 1.1 or is it aria-2.0 janina: not seeing a solid reason to keep this in 1.1 jd: we need to feature freeze <MichielBijl> +1 <JaEunJemmaKu> +1 RESOLUTION: Move action-1537 to ARIA-2.0 to be resumed with the browser api work action-1676 <trackbot> action-1676 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Remove directory as a superclass of tablist -- due 2015-07-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1676 jd: why is directory a superclass of tablist? rs: a list of places to go??? ... not an abstract class ... a list of references to members of a group bg: same mapping as list rs: is there inheritance problem somewhere? jd: discovered with marked interactive ... made wierd things happen rs: agree we need to postpone this to interaction discussion jd: should be closed "won't fix" for now ? action-1676 <trackbot> action-1676 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Remove directory as a superclass of tablist -- due 2015-07-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1676 action-1677 <trackbot> action-1677 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Remove input as a superclass of scrollbar and select -- due 2015-07-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1677 action-1675 <trackbot> action-1675 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Remove list as a superclass of menu and listbox -- due 2015-07-07 -- OPEN <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1675 jd: should these stay open? or closed "won't fix" until we return to interactive discussion rs: could move to interactive issue ... related to inheritance cleanup ... moving to issue-633 close issue-722 <trackbot> Closed issue-722. issue-736 issue-736 <trackbot> issue-736 -- aria-label overriding listitem and treeitem content when need to know content is valuable -- open <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/736 <clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Aug/0087.html Issue 736 clown: would actually like to say "a list item sometimes requires a name" <joanie> jd: I believe in the case of ARIA, a listitem is never a widget. <joanie> jd: I think in ARIA, those objects would have role option. <joanie> jd: Role option should have a name required, of course. <joanie> jd: I don't think think an ARIA listitem is ever a widget. Furthermore, I think we don't want listitems to have names. <joanie> jd: In addition, we need to get in touch with Steve Faulkner because the original concern I raised with the extreme names was HTML related (an li element). rs: proposal to drop required and name from content ... need to vet this around as is significant <richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Rich get with Freedom Scientific to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Created ACTION-1710 - Get with freedom scientific to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2015-09-03]. <richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Joseph Get with Alex Surkov to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action04] <trackbot> Created ACTION-1711 - Get with alex surkov to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2015-09-03]. <richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Joanie Get with Apple to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action05] <trackbot> Created ACTION-1712 - Get with apple to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2015-09-03]. Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Joanie Get with Apple to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: Joseph Get with Alex Surkov to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: Rich Create proposed text for a new figure role to Joanie to put in a brancth for review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: Rich get with Freedom Scientific to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: Rich get with Steve Faulkner to discuss the HTML figure element mapping to role figure [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#action02] [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Found Scribe: Janina Inddferring ScribeNick: janina ddDefault Present: jaeunjemmaku, fesch, Joanmarie_Diggs, janina, Tzviya, Rich, JamesNurthen, Bryan_Garaventa, MichielBijl, Joseph_Scheuhammer Present: jaeunjemmaku fesch Joanmarie_Diggs janina Tzviya Rich JamesNurthen Bryan_Garaventa MichielBijl Joseph_Scheuhammer Found Date: 27 Aug 2015 -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net Email: janina@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Protocols & Formats http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
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