minutes aria telecon Nov 24, 2014.

http://www.w3.org/2014/11/24-aria-minutes.html

DRAFT -
Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
24 Nov 2014


See also: IRC log


Attendees
Present
      janina, Joanmarie_Diggs, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, +1.703.978.aaaa,
      Michael_Cooper, Jon_Gunderson, Fred_Esch, Joseph_Scheuhammer
Regrets
Chair
      Rich
Scribe
      fesch
Contents
      Topics
      Summary of Action Items



<trackbot> Date: 24 November 2014


<richardschwerdtfeger> meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus


<richardschwerdtfeger>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Nov/0260.html


<richardschwerdtfeger> scribe: fesch


janina: revisit timelines


mc: Judy is working on getting charter approved - involved to include
mappings and update deliverables, ARIA 1.1 CR June 2015


rs: have gone through most issues at least once, implementation guide off
and running


mc: Name computation is seperate spec - can have own timeline


rs: name computation has dependencies


mc: timelines for mapping guilde could be earlier than aria


rs: identify things at risk in mapping guide - right away, then can roll
into a dot release
... relationship related stuff is at risk


mc: workout timelines for core mappings and accessible name mappings - then
work out other mappings


rs: what is likelyhood we will get action items done by February?


mc: explains new document process (without last call) - what is the
timeline for CR?


rs: Thinks can do a June/July time frame for 1.1


<Zakim> Joseph_Scheuhammer, you wanted to note that, roughly, for every new
aria 1.1 feature, there is a new mapping in the core.


js: when we walk through core mapping guide - can have a feedback loop -
then need test. Would like list of what is included in 1.1.


rs: doesn't see any new features to 1.1 - based on what we said at face to
face meeting


general discussion on modal... - with related to 1.1


<Stefan> +q


stefan: what about aria-help?


rs: believes aria-help got moved to aria 2.


stefan: got odd results for experiment
... is odd results with role and relationships - is it a bug or not well
defined?


rs: you do not have to have a role.


bg: can have a problem when a label and a role.


<Stefan> +q


rs/bg: discussion on labelby


stefan: role text would like to have an additional description. When have
red letters, red reflects status, experiment with IE.


<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#aria-labelledby


rs: role not required, for instance a div that is a labeledby does not need
a role. Browsers may have inconsistent behavior. MS (IE) has had it as a
group for a long time.


Stefan: OK with rs answer


rs: may not always need a role, especially when native element has a
default role


bg: spans may be more a problem than things with a native role


rs: we need to define a mapping for them
... June or July should be OK and mark things that are at risk


PROPSAL: move to new process, that does not require a last call


mc: CR doubles as last call and CR


rs: any objections to proposal?


RESOLUTION: move to new recommendation track process which excludes a last
call draft.


rs: CSUN and vacation - is July ok or do we need more time?


<Zakim> Joanmarie_Diggs, you wanted to ask if we resolved to move or
resolved to CfC about moving


rs: getting computed role and getting computed label - proposal sent to
HTML working group, got kicked out. Never found a home.
... because css not writing things into the DOM, we will need some of these
APIs, we should come up with a plan and have the plan come back to PF>


<jongund> +1


<jongund> +q


rs: do we want it in the accessibility API or some other way? Anyway
someone needs to write something up.


jg: are we worried about event handlers as a class?


rs: does anyone know why it got bounced from HTML?


janina: I like the idea of getting events under our control!
... Lets make it as an extension....


rs: name computation can be pull aside - any objection?
... aria 1.1 would not be held up for name computation...


<MichaelC> ACTION: rschwer to research pulling together a group to address
some aapi extensions e.g., getcomputedrole [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2014/11/24-aria-minutes.html#action01]


<trackbot> Created ACTION-1537 - Research pulling together a group to
address some aapi extensions e.g., getcomputedrole [on Richard
Schwerdtfeger - due 2014-12-01].


<MichaelC> trackbot, associate action-1537 with product-17


<trackbot> action-1537 (Research pulling together a group to address some
aapi extensions e.g., getcomputedrole) associated with product-17.


rs: July does not seem to an issue for CR.


janina: we might have a 6 month delay


<MichaelC> ¨Recommendation¨


mc: does a date of March 2016 for recommendation
... work?


jg: I have a testing group that meets once a week, can do testing.


janina: Thanks JG, I know we have a block.


mc: other mappings would be on a later timeline, HTML and SVG later. Core
and HTML on earlier timeline.


rs: firefox has not been looking at SVG for a while. Apple and chrome have
are ahead. SVG may be later.
... want a SVG draft in Q1 2015.
... aria 1.1 should be in time for HTML 5.1


janina: is very pleased :)


mc: charter - standard 3 years


janina: will get new name - API
... PF -> Accessible Platform Architectures WG


<MichaelC> public-svg-a11y list


rs: discussed organizing SVG accessibility task force


<scribe> ACTION: 1520 to [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2014/11/24-aria-minutes.html#action02]


<richardschwerdtfeger>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Nov/0103.html


<clown> action-1520?


<trackbot> action-1520 -- Jon Gunderson to Create a definition of "value"
as per issue-679 -- due 2014-11-10 -- PENDINGREVIEW


<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1520


<clown> issue-679?


<trackbot> issue-679 -- Glossary definition of value is inaccurate --
raised


<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/679


<clown> A literal that solidifies the information expressed by a state,
property, role, or text content.


<clown> the above is the text of the current glossary entry


rs: JS do we want to call this the value of a control?


JS: the glossary rule appears to not be the value of control. In that case
Jon is on track.


rs: we can change the definition of value (as Jon has defined it) and add
value of control which we would need.


jg: will make another defintion for value of control.


joseph: will have a final version of the editors' draft to use to make the
working draft of name computation and core mapping spec - and give them to
MC.


<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/623


rs: I believe that we do not want inert and will go with modal. Does JD
have any actions for modal?


<clown> issue-623


<trackbot> issue-623 -- Consider aria-inert for disambiguation of modal
states (re: html|*@inert) -- open


<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/623


<clown> issue-568


<trackbot> issue-568 -- Introduce system modal attributes for dialogs --
open


<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/568


<clown> action-1347


<trackbot> action-1347 -- James Craig to Add an attribute for
differentiating modal vs non-modal dialogs/menus/etc. (possibly aria-modal)
-- due 2014-10-07 -- CLOSED


<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1347


RESOLUTION: close issue 623 in favor of using an aria-modal state.


JN: need two weeks for action.


<clown> action-1438


<trackbot> action-1438 -- Michael Cooper to Set up auto publish to GH Pages
for editors' drafts https://pages.github.com -- due 2014-10-15 -- OPEN


<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1438


<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1438


rs: JD is the queen of github.


<joanie> jd: git; not github.


<clown> action-1440?


<trackbot> action-1440 -- Joanmarie Diggs to landmarks section uses "region
of page" in prose even though "region" is not a landmark -- due 2014-10-06
-- OPEN


<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1440


<clown> https://twitter.com/stevefaulkner/status/467345068287090688


<joanie> 1. http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#region


<joanie> Current text: "When defining regions of a web page, authors are
advised to consider using standard document landmark roles. If the
definitions of these regions are inadequate, authors can use the region
role and provide the appropriate accessible name."


<joanie> Proposed text: "A region is not a navigational landmark. Content
authors SHOULD use standard document landmark roles for regions which are
meant to be treated as landmarks."


rs: at IBM we use region as a landmark.


<joanie> https://twitter.com/stevefaulkner/status/467345068287090688


joseph: listed subclass of regions


jg: quoted HTML use of region


<clown> region role's subclasses: alert, article grid, landmark, list, log,
status, tabpanel


<clown> landmark role is abstract, and its subclasses are: application,
banner, complementary, contentinfo, form, main, navigation, search.


<jongund> I need to go


rs: will resume landmarks next week


Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: 1520 to [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2014/11/24-aria-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: rschwer to research pulling together a group to address some
aapi extensions e.g., getcomputedrole [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2014/11/24-aria-minutes.html#action01]

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                       Regards,                         Fred         
                                                                     
                       Fred Esch                                     
           Accessibility, Watson Innovations                         
    AARB Complex Visualization Working Group Chair                   
                   IBM Watson Group