Re: ACTION-1442: Draft spec text for aria-current and aria-currentfor

Right. I realize that some might want to put into container both
currentable items and some other items, and AT needs to distinguish them,
and aria-currentfor works for that, but I'm not sure how much this case is
valid in the wild. I agree we should focus on real problems, and it sounds
boolean aria-current is enough for today. Iterations are totally fine here.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:54 PM, James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>
wrote:

>  I can see a theoretical need for aria-currentfor when there might be
> multiple levels for current elements - but in reality i think a boolean
> aria-current could meet 95% of the use cases perfectly and even for the 5%
> it does not solve perfectly it would still solve most of the problem.
>
> I'd be happy with either of the attributes but I think both is too
> complicated.
>
>
> On 11/6/2014 1:48 PM, Alexander Surkov wrote:
>
> I don't. That's was theoretical propose I could see in aria-currentfor
> existence. Otherwise I'd say boolean aria-current should be enough.
>
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:45 PM, James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 11/6/2014 1:41 PM, Alexander Surkov wrote:
>>
>> No, if you want to provide the AT to obtain all currentable elements what
>> might be useful for navigation. In that case you will need "false" state.
>>
>>  Is AT ever going to do this - and is it even a useful thing to list? I'm
>> not sure I see the use case in any of our apps. Are the use cases
>> documented somewhere?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:39 PM, James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  I don't understand why we need 2 different attributes for this - it
>>> seems too complicated. Couldn't we just have aria-currentfor which would
>>> specify the id of the container for which the element is "current". It
>>> would be an error to have 2 or more aria-currentfor attributes on the same
>>> page specifying the same idref.
>>>
>>> What use cases would this not meet?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/6/2014 1:32 PM, White, Jason J wrote:
>>>
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Bryan Garaventa [mailto:bryan.garaventa@ssbbartgroup.com <bryan.garaventa@ssbbartgroup.com>]
>>> "The aria-current attribute indicates whether the element is current
>>> (true), or not current (false). If the aria-current attribute is false,
>>> the current state of the element should not be conveyed by User Agents."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This implies two functions for false, which seems to state that false
>>> should be conveyed as 'not current' as well as ignored by user agents at
>>> the same time.
>>>
>>>  I suspect the intent was that a value of "true" should be conveyed in some way to the user (i.e., the element is current), but that a value of false should not be conveyed at all. That is, if the element is not current, don't present anything to the user. The absence of aria-current and aria-current="false" would therefore be indistinguishable in the user interface.
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