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Re: ARIA Agenda Planning for Toronto

From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 18:26:05 -0500
To: "lisa.seeman" <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>
Cc: Cynthia Shelly <cyns@microsoft.com>, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>, James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>, W3C WAI Protocols & Formats <public-pfwg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <20140121232605.GJ18192@concerto.rednote.net>
Lisa Seeman writes:
> Maybe we can bring it to the group for consensus and possibly set a  deadline for proposals for additional semantics for cognitive.
> 
> We should remember that the group did reach consensus from the First FTF on  aria in Germany that 2.0 would address cognitive disabilities.


But this F2F isn't about 2.0.

Janina

> 
> All the best
> 
> Lisa Seeman
> 
> Athena ICT Accessibility Projects 
> LinkedIn, Twitter
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> ---- On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 23:20:02 +0200 Janina Sajka&lt;janina@rednote.net&gt; wrote ---- 
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> Hi, Lisa: 
>  
> Lisa Seeman writes: 
> &gt; Originally we were going to put syntax in ARIA 2.0 for cognitive 
> We may do that. 2.0 is still a long time away. 
>  
> &gt; Although the cog task fource is just begining there are some additional syntax that are very likely be needed. Can we add some time to discuss this issue? 
> &gt; 
> I am loathe to spend too much time speculating about 2.0. Even though 
> we've a three-day meeting, we will be busy scoping what specific things 
> we will work on, and how our documents will be organized, in the next 
> 2-3 years. 
>  
> Any topic more than 2-3 years from specification, therefore, should only 
> be on this F2F agenda because it affects the work for the next 2-3 
> years. 
>  
> Without the Coga's gap analysis, I find it hard to agree that there's 
> much in the way of specificity for us to agree and action in the 2-3 
> year timeline. Clearly, the WG may disagree with my judgement on this. 
>  
> Janina 
>  
> &gt; 
> &gt; All the best 
> &gt; 
> &gt; Lisa Seeman 
> &gt; 
> &gt; Athena ICT Accessibility Projects 
> &gt; LinkedIn, Twitter 
> &gt; 
> &gt; 
> &gt; 
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> &gt; ---- On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 02:16:16 +0200 Janina Sajka&amp;lt;janina@rednote.net&amp;gt; wrote ---- 
> &gt; 
> &gt; 
> &gt; Cynthia Shelly writes: 
> &gt; &amp;gt; Can we talk about task and bug management systems on Saturday? I'd like to set up a test instance of TFS before then. 
> &gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; Yes, already calendered for a Saturday discussion. 
> &gt; 
> &gt; Janina 
> &gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; Michael and/or Janina, would you be able do this with me on Friday at lunch or dinner, so I can be sure that I understand all the requirements? 
> &gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; -----Original Message----- 
> &gt; &amp;gt; From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@rednote.net] 
> &gt; &amp;gt; Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 1:13 PM 
> &gt; &amp;gt; To: James Craig 
> &gt; &amp;gt; Cc: James Nurthen; W3C WAI Protocols &amp;amp; Formats; Cynthia Shelly 
> &gt; &amp;gt; Subject: Re: ARIA Agenda Planning for Toronto 
> &gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; Just conversing about agenda planning with Rich, and some possible approaches to think about ... 
> &gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; We could modularize and take up particular aspects of what we plan to achieve in ARIA.Next as separate modules, on parallel timelines. The parallel timelines plus the modularity are two key concepts to consider. 
> &gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; 1.) We've more or less comitted to do ARIA 1.1 to sync with HTML 5.1 
> &gt; &amp;gt; as the best specified, best tested a11y web environment to date. 
> &gt; &amp;gt; However, 
> &gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; 2.) That doesn't preclude people working on other modules in 
> &gt; &amp;gt; parallel, i.e. input support, text editing, SVG, Epub support, etc. 
> &gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; Thoughts? 
> &gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; Janina 
> &gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; James Craig writes: 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; I think James N’s topic below will be part of the same discussion as these other two: 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; - How IndieUI Events and ARIA work together. 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; - Cynthia’s “Should ARIA Specify UA Behavior” topic. 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Aside from that which is already speced in IndieUI, I think for ARIA 2.0 (not sure if it’s in the 1.1 scope) we should determine how to specify certain ARIA controls as HTML5 “commands” so that—among other benefits—custom ARIA buttons should get key handlers by default. This is the part of the UAIG that has been removed due to lack of implementations. There are currently *zero* implementations in the tested accessible rendering engines, and I think that is because it was specified in such a way that it broke DOM Events, but I think we can fix it and make it work. 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; On Jan 20, 2014, at 12:47 PM, Janina Sajka &amp;lt;janina@rednote.net&amp;gt; wrote: 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; James: 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; You had asked for a topic at the F2F: 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; "Making ARIA Keyboard more robust yet more generic" 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; I would like to propose that we take this topic up Thursday morning, 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; as we discuss global concerns for ARIA moving forward--before we get 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; into the details of the 1.1 feature set. 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; How long do you think you need for this discussion? 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Janina 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; I currently have this set for Friday at 4PM, but am now thinking I'd 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; like to move it to Thursday morning as it's a global question that 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; affects how we think of the particulars as through the remainder of 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; our F2F work. 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; How much time do you think you need for this discussion? 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Janina 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; -- 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Email: janina@rednote.net 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Linux Foundation Fellow 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Chair, Protocols &amp;amp; Formats http://www.w3.org/wai/pf 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Indie UI http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/ 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; -- 
> &gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 
> &gt; &amp;gt; sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net 
> &gt; &amp;gt; Email: janina@rednote.net 
> &gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; Linux Foundation Fellow 
> &gt; &amp;gt; Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org 
> &gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; &amp;gt; The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) 
> &gt; &amp;gt; Chair, Protocols &amp;amp; Formats http://www.w3.org/wai/pf 
> &gt; &amp;gt; Indie UI http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/ 
> &gt; &amp;gt; 
> &gt; 
> &gt; -- 
> &gt; 
> &gt; Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 
> &gt; sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net 
> &gt; Email: janina@rednote.net 
> &gt; 
> &gt; Linux Foundation Fellow 
> &gt; Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org 
> &gt; 
> &gt; The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) 
> &gt; Chair, Protocols &amp;amp; Formats http://www.w3.org/wai/pf 
> &gt; Indie UI http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/ 
> &gt; 
> &gt; 
> &gt; 
> &gt; 
>  
> -- 
>  
> Janina Sajka,    Phone:    +1.443.300.2200 
>             sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net 
>         Email:    janina@rednote.net 
>  
> Linux Foundation Fellow 
> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:    http://a11y.org 
>  
> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) 
> Chair,    Protocols &amp; Formats    http://www.w3.org/wai/pf 
>     Indie UI            http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/ 
>  
> 
> 

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Janina Sajka,	Phone:	+1.443.300.2200
			sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
		Email:	janina@rednote.net

Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:	http://a11y.org

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair,	Protocols & Formats	http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
	Indie UI			http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/
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