Minutes from the ARIA call on 14 October

Minutes from the weekly ARIA teleconference of 14 October are provided below as text: and are available as hypertext at:

http://www.w3.org/2013/10/14-pf-minutes.html

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W3C

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                                                              Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
                                                                                  14 Oct 2013

   Agenda

   See also: IRC log

Attendees

   Present
          janina, Michael_Cooper, Rich_Schwerdtfeger

   Regrets
          Jon_Gunderson

   Chair
          Rich

   Scribe
          janina

Contents

     * Topics
         1. UAIG
         2. incomplete test cases
     * Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

   <trackbot> Date: 14 October 2013

   <richardschwerdtfeger> meeting: make log public

   <richardschwerdtfeger> RRSAgent: make log public

   <richardschwerdtfeger> meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus

   <MichaelC> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference

   <richardschwerdtfeger> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2013Oct/0015.html

   <scribe> scribe: janina

UAIG

   <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testreport?testsuite_id=2

   rich: Saw event sequencing problems with tests 85, 86 & 87
   ... Suggest we move these to "should"

   michael: Were these tests where James wanted Safari excluded?

   rich: State change follows selection change on these
   ... And on 69 we have owns of an owns, etc
   ... Not real world
   ... 69 & 71
   ... 70 passes

   michael: 71 seems contrived; 69 is similar conceptual to another
   ... Does seem to reflect how we expected ARIA-Owns to work
   ... A strange abstraction ...
   ... So, we're testing posinset ...

   <richardschwerdtfeger> If all items in a set are present in the document structure, it is not necessary to set this attribute, as the user agent can automatically
   calculate the set size and position for each item. However, if only a portion of the set is present in the document structure at a given moment, this property is
   needed to provide an explicit indication of an element's position.

   michael: So, if in doc only via ARIA-Owns, its not part of the structure?

   rich: yes

   <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/612

   <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/2013/10/08-aapi-minutes#item01

   <richardschwerdtfeger> EVENT_OBJECT_STATECHANGE on newly focused item, but arrange events so state change does not occur on focused item, to avoid extra selection
   change announcements

   rich: Instead, say:

   <richardschwerdtfeger> EVENT_OBJECT_STATECHANGE on newly focused item. User agents SHOULD arrange events so state change does not occur on focused item, to avoid
   extra selection change announcements

   rich: Above msaa, here's at-spi

   <richardschwerdtfeger> ATK/ATSPI currently:

   <richardschwerdtfeger> object::selection_changed but arrange events so state change does not occur on focused item, to avoid extra selection change announcement

   rich: could be

   <richardschwerdtfeger> object::selection_changed. User agents SHOULD arrange events so state change does not occur on focused item, to avoid extra selection change
   announcement

   michael: I'm OK

   <MichaelC> ACTION: clown to Add RFC2119 SHOULD statements to UAIG #mapping_events_selection regard event arrangement [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2013/10/14-pf-minutes.html#action01]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-1273 - Add rfc2119 should statements to uaig #mapping_events_selection regard event arrangement [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2013-10-21].

   <MichaelC> action-1273: For example, šEVENT_OBJECT_STATECHANGE on newly focused item, but arrange events so state change does not occur on focused item, to avoid
   extra selection change announcementsš becomes šEVENT_OBJECT_STATECHANGE on newly focused item. User agents SHOULD arrange events so state change does not occur on
   focused item, to avoid extra selection change announcementsš

   <trackbot> Notes added to action-1273 Add rfc2119 should statements to uaig #mapping_events_selection regard event arrangement.

   <MichaelC> action-1273: For example, šobject::selection_changed but arrange events so state change does not occur on focused item, to avoid extra selection change
   announcementš becomes šobject::selection_changed. User agents SHOULD arrange events so state change does not occur on focused item, to avoid extra selection change
   announcementš

   <trackbot> Notes added to action-1273 Add rfc2119 should statements to uaig #mapping_events_selection regard event arrangement.

   <MichaelC> action-1273: note that the wording is confusing because conditions against the action are explained after the action rather than before

   <trackbot> Error adding a comment to: could not connect to Tracker. Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.

   <MichaelC> action-1273: note that the wording is confusing because conditions against the action are explained after the action rather than before

   <trackbot> Error adding a comment to: could not connect to Tracker. Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.

   <richardschwerdtfeger> EVENT_OBJECT_SELECTION then EVENT_OBJECT_STATECHANGE on newly focused item.

   <MichaelC> action-1273: note that the wording is confusing because conditions against the action are explained after the action rather than before

   <trackbot> Error adding a comment to: could not connect to Tracker. Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.

   <MichaelC> action-1273: note that the wording is confusing because conditions against the action are explained after the action rather than before

   <trackbot> Error adding a comment to: could not connect to Tracker. Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.

   <richardschwerdtfeger> object::selection_changed then object:state-changed

   <richardschwerdtfeger> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Accessibility/AT-APIs/AT-SPI/Events

   <richardschwerdtfeger> object:selection-changed

   <richardschwerdtfeger> object:selection-changed then object:state-changed

   <richardschwerdtfeger> http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/atspi/adoc/atspi-events.html

   <MichaelC> action-1273: note that the wording is confusing because conditions against the action are explained after the action rather than before

   <trackbot> Error adding a comment to: could not connect to Tracker. Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.

incomplete test cases

   <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testreport?testsuite_id=2

   michael: still 19 cases without test files
   ... jg was to fill in additional testable statements
   ... jg's unable to do soon, i looked at these friday
   ... see fewer gaps than i thought

   michael Suggest we walk this through UAIG call Tuesday

   michael: 40 & 41 are ones I didn't know what to do re test files

   rich: just to tab-index = 0, -1, etc

   michael: test case creation we should move to uaig call group ...
   ... starting email to clown

   <MichaelC> Testable statements still needed for UAIG: look for @@ in
   http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIA/Tests/Testable_Statements#User_Agent_Implementation_Guide_Testable_Statements

   <MichaelC> some of the @@ are information we need to fill in based on work done in UAIG since these were written

   <MichaelC> some are cross references to existing tests that just need to be linked

   <MichaelC> MC to change those to ## so theyÂŽre not confused with the ones that need to be examined

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: clown to Add RFC2119 SHOULD statements to UAIG #mapping_events_selection regard event arrangement [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2013/10/14-pf-minutes.html#action01]

   [End of minutes]
     _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Found Scribe: janina
Present: janina Michael_Cooper Rich_Schwerdtfeger
Regrets: Jon_Gunderson
People with action items: clown


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