Re: APA Personalization Task Force Teleconference - Monday11 Apr 2022 Agenda

Hi all,

Minutes from today (thanks to Lionel for scribing) can be found at and are repeated below in text for convenience.

Best regards,


                             – DRAFT –
               Personalization Task Force Teleconference

11 April 2022

   [2]IRC log.



          becky, CharlesL1, janina_, Lionel_Wolberger, Lisa,
          Matthew_Atkinson, mike_beganyi





    1. [3]Logistics: Easter/Passover/Ramadan holiday season
    2. [4]Naming progress

    3. [5]Content Module Implementations Status
    4. [6]Implications of issue 203 for the data-symbol attribute
       (multi-value vs single value)

       personalization-semantics/issues/203 sharon]
    5. [7]Summary of resolutions

Meeting minutes

   <Lisa> (but I need to leave a bit early)

  Logistics: Easter/Passover/Ramadan holiday season

   <Lisa> I wont be around. taking it off

   Janina: Our focus should be the additions to the document that
   came up in email

   <Matthew_Atkinson> I _might_ be able to make it, not 100% sure.
   Officially it's a holiday here, though if I am actually at home
   I would tend to come.

   Decided: We will meet.

   RESOLUTION: We will meet next week as usual, for those members
   not attending, have a good vacation.

  Naming progress [8]



   sharon: I understand we are moving forward with WAI-Adapt

   janina_: There was some additional discussion with Judy on the
   WAI-CC call

   janina_: It was agreed that we do not need an expansion, but we
   do want a pithy phrase to put on the slide where we introduce
   the standard at TPAC
   … we suggested phrases as well

   janina_: We've got all the pieces, someone needs to capture
   that 'pithy phrase'

   sharon: I will go through the lists and get the phrase.

  Content Module Implementations Status

   sharon: Discussions with Phill at IBM are going well, need to
   clarify further.

   janina_: With access-board we got commitment to markup the
   ADA-complaint form.
   … we need content and two user-agent implementations.

   Lionel_Wolberger: UserWay is going to be a renderer of this new

   janina_: A reminder, renderers should render any markup.

   Lisa: Ayeleth created a git long ago, she created a script. It
   featured a button to show symbols

   <Matthew_Atkinson> I think the link is: [9]

   ayelet-seeman/coga.personalisation (there are several repos).
   Also we linked the HTML example in our TPAC talk.


   <Matthew_Atkinson> [10]



   Lisa: so it is both a markup and a rendering.
   … a shopping cart mockup

   Matthew_Atkinson: What exactly does IBM expect to render, if
   they do render?

   janina_: Given that the specification has x number of 'must'
   statements, imagine we number those statements
   … then for each x(1) must statement, we must show two
   independent user-agent rendering implementations
   … there can be one content source that both render
   … the ADA complaint form being marked up would even be worthy
   of a press release
   … as well as an IBM employment form

   Lisa: +1. It's very exciting.

   janina_: Press reports are not as interested in the renderer as
   the content.

   janina_: We need in writing the exact terms from Bliss. We may
   need to go back and review aspects of the W3C process
   … keep in mind this is enabling many various registries of

   Lisa: We have an excel spreadsheet, linked in the Wiki

   <Lisa> [11]



   Lisa: this is the link to the spreadsheet, on the wiki
   … you can see that Vodafone and Atos made implementation pages

   Lisa: What about wikipedia? I may still have contacts to
   developers over there.

   janina_: Bliss symbols should at minimum give us a dump
   periodically in PDF format
   … we would want a commitment from them to continue to maintain
   this registry
   … a best case scenario is that Bliss will commit to retaining a
   Bliss registry on

   Roy_: I did speak with them about that topic, I will find the

  Implications of issue 203 for the data-symbol attribute (multi-value
  vs single value) [12]

  issues/203 sharon]


   sharon: Citing the note:
   … Which of these is correct? The English "ham sandwich" or the
   Spanish, which literally translates to "sandwich of ham." In
   the case sentence and object structure of a symbolic
   representation, does it matter?

   <span lang="en" data-symbol="16223 16718">ham sandwich</span>

   <span lang="es" data-symbol="16718 12324 16223">sándwich de

   janina_: Janina notes that answering this question is answering
   a question from Apple, worth replying to

   Matthew_Atkinson: We should have replied long ago

   Matthew_Atkinson: The data symbol attribute can potentially
   take multiple values.

   Lisa: We have a page in German and in Swedish (the cup of tea
   … see there that 'cup of tea' can be combined to become a
   single symbol
   … and sometimes you need multiple symbols

   Matthew_Atkinson: If multiple symbols are listed, are they
   meant to be construed as combining to denote a single symbol?

   Lisa: Depends on the symbol set

   <Zakim> janina_, you wanted to react to Lisa

   janina_: Apple does also make authoring tools, so they might
   get involved with symbol authoring
   … my inclination is to (a) apologize to James for the delay (b)
   point him to the ongoing discussion (c) mention the rendering
   opportunity and (d) the registry need
   … but then point out (e) it is not translation, just different
   uses of symbols

   <Matthew_Atkinson> +1 to janina_ ACKing and clarifying with

   CharlesL1: Rendering should be 1:1. Symbol '12345' is always a
   dog, etc.
   … I do not think the HTML developer will do the markup. It will
   be a Bliss symbol expert hired to make the page

   Matthew_Atkinson: Does that imply that our system is 'broken',
   since it requires a Bliss SME?

   janina_: Respectfully disagree. It should be easy to look-up
   symbol values and put them in.
   … no need to know in advance the end-user's preferred set of

   Matthew_Atkinson: The mapping challenge falls on the AAC Symbol
   Set provider. Then, if they are lacking a Bliss ID, they might
   define that this Bliss idea '23456' maps to these three
   … this is not well explained.

   <Lisa> i need to drop off. sorry

   janina_: This lookup table registry, -- assuming success --
   will encourage symbol set authors to reach a wider audience and
   perhaps generate more symbols

   <CharlesL1> +1 to more clarification on how symbols will work
   in the spec.

   <CharlesL1> +1 to reaching out to JC

   sharon: Do we need an issue to be sure we action the need for
   explanatory sections that Matt cited?

   Lionel_Wolberger: I have a bit of confusion between (a)
   multiple symbol values in a single markup, in addition to (b)
   multiple symbols constituting a single aggregated symbol

   CharlesL1: I have similar concerns to the ones Lionel aired.

Summary of resolutions

    1. [13]We will meet next week as usual, for those members not
       attending, have a good vacation.

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   Maybe present: Decided, Janina, Roy_, sharon

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    Hi all,

    Please review the agenda for Monday's Personalization TF call and let us know if there are any other topics that need to be added:

    Chair: Sharon

    agenda+ Logistics: Easter/Passover/Ramadan holiday season

    agenda+ Naming progress
    agenda+ Content Module Implementations Status
    agenda+ Implications of issue 203 for the data-symbol attribute (multi-value vs single value) <>
    agenda+ Follow-up on i18n issue #144

    agenda+ Issue 202 regarding Visible Indicators on 2.2 -

    agenda+ Planning future COGA meetings on Our Other Two Modules

    The  teleconference information is at: call info - personalization <>

    · 10 am Eastern time
    ·  5 pm IS
    ·  3 pm UK time

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    The server is <> 
    The port number is 6665
    The channel is #personalization 

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    Resources and useful links
    ·  Wiki <>; - this page has links to all our work
    ·  mailing list archives <>
    ·  Personalization Semantics 1.0 <> (Personalization Semantics 1.0 Editors' Draft <>). See also the Personalization Semantics Task Force GitHub repository <>.
    ·  our home page
    ·  Web-Based Surveys (WBS) <>;
    ·  personalization-semantics source repository issue tracker <>. 
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