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Re: The APA Personalization Task Force Teleconference - 16 Aug Monday 2021 Agenda

From: Matthew Atkinson <matkinson@tpgi.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021 15:43:53 +0000
To: Sharon D Snider <snidersd@us.ibm.com>, "public-personalization-tf@w3.org" <public-personalization-tf@w3.org>
Message-ID: <51B46D84-9E8E-437A-91FE-B65B03432F07@tpgi.com>
Hi all,

You can find the minutes online at https://www.w3.org/2021/08/16-personalization-minutes.html and repeated below for convenience (I realised this helps future-us with searching, so have decided to resume the practice)...

Best regards,


  – DRAFT –
Personalization Task Force Teleconference

16 August 2021

IRC log. <https://www.w3.org/2021/08/16-personalization-irc>


    becky, CharlesL, janina, JF, Lionel_Wolberger, Matthew_Atkinson
    Matthew, Matthew_Atkinson


 1. Janina to draft a response to [i18n issue
 2. Write up from John on issue #170 -
    https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/170 <#t02>
 3. TPAC planning: meeting owners preparing as per
    list, https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021 <#t03>
 4. Summary of action items <#ActionSummary>

    Meeting minutes

      Janina to draft a response to [i18n issue

Sharon_: [ACK janina's resposne.]

Sharon_: [ACK the published WDs]

<Sharon_> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/170


<Zakim> JF, you wanted to ask about "what list"?

      Write up from John on issue #170 -


JF: [Work ongoing]

Sharon_: (Recollects that we were going to have a note to demarcate

becky: Not all distraction is about movement.

JF: prefers-reduced-motion is a UA setting applicable to the entire
document. Our mechanism is at the element level. So we can keep _some_
things moving (if important) and some not. It is more granular.

JF: Related is the metadata issue; our attributes are being used to
supply metadata at the element level. I can write a note to explain
this, but where should it go?

becky: Let's note that there is an overlap.

Sharon_: [Agrees with the idea of making such a note]

Lionel_Wolberger: The CSS directive _could_ be applied on a more
granular basis.

JF: ACK; though it may be ignored by some AT. It's a reference, whereas
our approach is an attribute. prefers-reduced-motion would most often be
applied at page level, though in theory could be applied at element (or
more precise) level.

Lionel_Wolberger: Liked JF note that CSS is about removing rendering
from semantics. We are dealing here with semantics specifically. Perhaps
this can form the basis of our response?

JF: Will do a write-up.

JF: Is this something we want in the spec?

janina: Suggest an Editor's Note

JF: We are looking toward future AT that may exist. Also distractions
may be auditory.

Sharon_: Yes, we did some work on distractions being sensory. (Ref
November 20th, 2020 minutes.)

Sharon_: We have (W3C) actions; GitHub and the Actions page in the wiki.

Lionel_Wolberger: We propose to make the wiki more general (pointers to
things) and maintain the (W3C) action tracker and GitHub. Open for

Sharon_: We can use the (W3C) action tracker, but usually they
correspond to an issue that already exists in GitHub. So if we have an
action, there should be a matching GitHub issue. So we are really
tracking things in GitHub but can have pointers from other places.

<Lionel_Wolberger> GIT:


*Action:* TRACKER:


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<Lionel_Wolberger> WIKI:


janina: Understand the proposal is to drop the wiki actions tracking?
Fine by me. I like the W3C action interface, like JF—it works across
groups and is a good place for us to track W3C things. Confident we're
going to continue to use GitHub generally.

janina: I would like to continue using W3C actions as well.

Sharon_: ACK that we may be using W3C actions as a personal TODO list;
OK to track issues in GitHub and make pointers to the other places.

JF: W3C actions tracker is good for us to use (across groups). Should we
be filing GitHub issues to correspond to our actions?

janina: An individual must open a GitHub issue.

JF: If I assign myself an action, am I also repsonsible to create a
GitHub issue.

janina: Don't think so necessarily.

becky: Most of the time these are personal actions in response to GitHub
issues, so can be used at personal discretion.

JF: In summary: GitHub issues is the official tracker, but we can keep
using W3C actions tracker for our own work.

Sharon_: (agrees)

becky: If we agree to do something and we're not using W3C actions
tracker, then we should file an issue to track it? Or I'm just
responsible in whatever way works for me?

Sharon_: If it's an official thing the group needs to do/affects the
module, then we need a GitHub issue, but usually the actions are filed
in support of an existing GitHub issue. We could open one if need be.

Sharon_: Lionel_Wolberger: how shall we handle the wiki now?

Lionel_Wolberger: we propose that the wiki has some general statements
and will continue to be of help, but for tracking actions we'll use the
other tools. GitHub will be our list of record. Every action must be
recorded, and if it becomes significant we'll make an effort to put it
in GitHub.

Lionel_Wolberger: We continue to find W3C action tracker useful
(especially due to Zakim integration).

Lionel_Wolberger: Is this OK with everyone?


<JF> +1

<Lionel_Wolberger> +1

<becky> +1

<Sharon_> +1

<CharlesL> 1+

Sharon_: [will take the action to update the wiki]

<janina> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021


      TPAC planning: meeting owners preparing as per
      list, https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021



<https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021> (HT janina)

janina: We hope to resolve the i18n issue soon.

janina: COGA would like to discuss some things with i18n also.

janina: Joint meeting betwen COGA and Personalization: COGA should
suggest the agenda; the facilitators should meet to schedule this and
keep APA chairs in the loop.

janina: There is a large timezone spread.

janina: Regarding introducting our specs in general: moved this to a
breakout session. Open question as to whether we want to introduce all
APA publications in one session (Personalization, Pronounciation,
real-time comms, ...).

janina: If there are specific things that Personalization needs to talk
with Silver about then we should have that as a specific meeting. There
could be interest in this.

janina: There's a pointer to the Silver organisation page at the bottom
of ours.

janina: Now we are pointing to specific meetigs (rather than general
ideas for meetings) even though they have not all been assigned times
yet. There are places to list agenda and key participants etc.

Sharon_: Shall I go back over the minutes and add the assignments we
agreed on to these meetings?

janina: Yes please

Sharon_: Now we are down to 2 issues, are we in a position to start
looking at the next module?

janina: Yes, perhaps we should be talking with COGA about it at TPAC, too.

<Zakim> JF, you wanted to note that I have to get crackingon the
editorial review of Module 2

janina: JF: do you have a reference to the HTML requirement to use
data-* attributes when prototyping?

JF: (will look it up)

JF: We're not quite ready for CR yet (partly due to action on CSS note).
Also my editorial review of modules 2 and 3 (consistency).

JF: We are not expecting any substantive changes to our spec after i18n
issue is resolved (it's mainly an issue of helping i18n understand what
we're doing).

janina: Would be good for everyone to re-read it top-to-bottom as CR is

Sharon_: Yes, please read through the WD Explainer and Content Module.

janina: The Explainer will remain a working draft (WD); eventually it'll
become a Note but as it's not normative it won't ever go to CR. It may
not become a Note until after Module 2 is done.

Sharon_: Module 2 has only 2 open issues.

Matthew_Atkinson: Notes we have

<https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/173> which may
relate to Module 1

janina: There is an APA-sponsored WAI-wide meeting about a WAI-wide (or
W3C-wide) glossary TPAC meeting.

Matthew_Atkinson: There are some issues without labels; we should triage.

Matthew_Atkinson: Unlabelled issues:


Sharon_: Let's check them out now...

<Sharon_> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/193


Matthew_Atkinson and janina: This relates to infrastructure (Roy/Michael).

Sharon_: Next issue:


Matthew_Atkinson: I think we should check for any overlap with terms
here, as COGA's glossary is published.

janina: We should check for terms when doing our top-to-bottom readthroughs.

becky: We said we'd point to COGA's when ready; sounds like it is now?

Sharon_: We should check for consistency.

JF: In Content/Module 1 there's no formal glossary. We do have a
vocabulary (which is not a glossary but could be misconstrued?)

janina: We'd need to check if COGA's glossary defines anything with the
same name as we have.

Matthew_Atkinson: (after group discussion we agreed to ask Lisa if she
feels the issue relates to module 1)

    Summary of action items

    https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/personalization/track/actions/ <#a01>

Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl
<https://w3c.github.io/scribe2/scribedoc.html> version 136 (Thu May 27
13:50:24 2021 UTC).


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On 13/08/2021, 21:52, "Sharon D Snider" <snidersd@us.ibm.com> wrote:

    Hi all,

    Here's the agenda for Monday's Personalization TF call. Let me know if there are any other topics that need to be added:

    Chair: Sharon

    * Janina to draft a response to i18n issue #144 <https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/144>
    * Write up from John on issue #170 <https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/170>
    * How we track actions: review of GitHub issues <https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues>,  Wiki actions <https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/actions> & IRC action tracker <https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/personalization/track/actions/open> 
    * TPAC planning: meeting owners preparing as per list, https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021

    The  teleconference information is at: call info - personalization <https://www.w3.org/2017/08/telecon-info_personalization>


    * 10 am Eastern time
    * 5 pm IS
    * 3 pm UK time

    IRC access

    An IRC (Internet Relay Chat) channel will be available during the call at: https://irc.w3.org/?channels=personalization <http://irc.w3.org/?channels=personalization>

    The server is  irc.w3.org <https://irc.w3.org/> 
    The port number is 6665
    The channel is #personalization 

    You can write any name as a nickname

    Resources and useful links

    * Wiki <https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/task-forces/personalization/wiki/>; - this page has links to all our work
    * mailing list archives <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/>
    * Personalization Semantics 1.0 <https://www.w3.org/TR/personalization-semantics-1.0/> (Personalization Semantics 1.0 Editors' Draft <https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/>). See also the Personalization Semantics Task Force GitHub repository <https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/>.
    * our home page
    * Web-Based Surveys (WBS) <https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/101569/>;
    * personalization-semantics source repository issue tracker <https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues>. 
    * Scribing and Participation Tips: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Teleconference_cheat_sheet 
    * Demo: https://github.com/ayelet-seeman/coga.personalisation and  https://rawgit.com/ayelet-seeman/coga.personalisation/demo/conactUs.htm <https://rawgit.com/ayelet-seeman/coga.personalisation/demo/conactUs.html>

    Sharon Snider 
    IBM Design ► IBM Accessibility Leadership Team
    www.ibm.com/able <https://www.ibm.com/able> and w3.ibm.com/able <https://w3.ibm.com/able>

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