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Re: Personalization Task Force meeting minutes

From: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 08:33:33 -0600
Message-ID: <CAKdCpxw7Twk3huzND6Lo7EmZferzgs2f1OJihJRKrcincft6_w@mail.gmail.com>
To: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
Cc: Steve Lee <stevelee@w3.org>, public-personalization-tf <public-personalization-tf@w3.org>
Given we're barely at FPWD, and with 2 more  modules that are even less
mature, I'm not that concerned. With enough implementation evidence, we may
get to final CR with **no prefix at all**, at least for some of our
proposed attributes.

This is a well-worn path at the W3C already - we need to only look at how
CSS advanced features: they used 'browser-flags' as shown in this code
sample:

-webkit-transition: -webkit-transform .3s ease-in-out;
   -moz-transition:    -moz-transform .3s ease-in-out;
    -ms-transition:     -ms-transform .3s ease-in-out;
     -o-transition:      -o-transform .3s ease-in-out;
        transition:         transform .3s ease-in-out;

(And, I keep coming back to the fact that TAG also recommended using data-*
after our presentation at TPAC 2018, and at some point we need to keep our
friends on board as well)

 So, respectfully, I don't think this is a huge concern at this time. Let's
get what we have out now, get it socialized and get some implementation
examples and experience, and go from there.

I understand the sense of urgency from the COGA WG perspective, but as my
grandmother used to say, "less haste, more speed". I'll further suggest
revisiting "prefixes" at this time is a distraction - we went there, and
decided on data-* during those deliberations. Let's move forward and not
revisit old discussions.

JF

On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 6:32 AM Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote:

> OK, quick response ...
>
> Without a replacement for data- this spec can go no further than CR.
>
> Best,
>
> Janina
>
> Steve Lee writes:
> > On 03/02/2020 18:27, John Foliot wrote:
> > > I am unconvinced that deciding on a prefix at this time is that
> critical.
> >
> > That is my opinion too.
> >
> > It feels like an implementation detail level distraction.
> >
> > There way be other aspects I'm missing but if we are concerned about the
> > impact on community users at this early stage I think anyone trying out
> an
> > implementation or trial will be aware it is experimental and so likely to
> > change. We can always be sure to give clear messaging
> >
> > Steve
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka
>
> Linux Foundation Fellow
> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:       http://a11y.org
>
> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures        http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
>
>
>

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