- From: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
- Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 13:07:42 -0500
- To: public-personalization-tf <public-personalization-tf@w3.org>, Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAKdCpxyTXOha_U1p-4e_yiHQj4LBFFpkPba7U0Rn9u5YePBxpw@mail.gmail.com>
Something hinky with the W3C bots - the meeting minutes are blank. Please find the minutes below. (M. Cooper, can we get this fixed?) === Begin Minutes === #personalization: (no topic set) [11:57] == JF [~JF@public.cloak] has joined #personalization [11:57] <JF> agenda? [11:57] * Zakim sees 3 items remaining on the agenda: [11:57] * Zakim 1. tools module (If ready) [from LisaSeemanKestenbaum] [11:57] * Zakim 2. help module https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/new-format-for-help-module/help/index.html compair to [11:57] * Zakim ... https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/help/index.html [from LisaSeemanKestenbaum] [11:57] * Zakim 3. do we have all the opinions for implementions at https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Comparison-of-ways-to-use-vocabulary-in-content [from [11:57] * Zakim ... LisaSeemanKestenbaum] [11:57] <JF> present+ JF [12:01] <@Roy> present+ [12:01] == Sharon [~Sharon@public.cloak] has joined #personalization [12:01] <janina> zakim, who's here? [12:01] <Zakim> Present: JF, Roy [12:01] <Zakim> On IRC I see Sharon, JF, janina, LisaSeemanKestenbaum, RRSAgent, Zakim, MichaelC, Roy [12:01] <MichaelC> present+ [12:02] <janina> present+ [12:02] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> scribe: JF [12:02] <JF> scribe: JF [12:02] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> present+ [12:02] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> Zakim, next item [12:02] <Zakim> agendum 1. "tools module (If ready)" taken up [from LisaSeemanKestenbaum] [12:02] <Sharon> present+ [12:03] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> agenda? [12:03] * Zakim sees 3 items remaining on the agenda: [12:03] * Zakim 1. tools module (If ready) [from LisaSeemanKestenbaum] [12:03] * Zakim 2. help module https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/new-format-for-help-module/help/index.html compair to [12:03] * Zakim ... https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/help/index.html [from LisaSeemanKestenbaum] [12:03] * Zakim 3. do we have all the opinions for implementions at https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Comparison-of-ways-to-use-vocabulary-in-content [from [12:03] * Zakim ... LisaSeemanKestenbaum] [12:03] <JF> zakim, take up item 2 [12:03] <Zakim> agendum 2. "help module https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/new-format-for-help-module/help/index.html compair to [12:03] <Zakim> ... https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/help/index.html" taken up [from LisaSeemanKestenbaum] [12:04] <JF> LSK: Becky isn't on call, but believe that what Becky did on her module is easy to follow along [12:05] <JF> worth looking at both, but the more important one is the alternative version to help [12:05] <JF> not committed to any examples, look at structure instead [12:05] <JF> this is what we had after the use-cases [12:06] <JF> here, Becky has added al the values into one table, even if they come from different places [12:06] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/help/index.html#alternative-explanation [12:06] <JF> took them out of the implementations examples [12:07] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/help/index.html#helptype-explanation [12:08] <JF> all values are being merged into one vocabulary. If this works it's good, but if it doesn't it'w bad... [12:08] <JF> LSK: do we have everything we need? Do we have all the terms/words we need? [12:09] <JF> questions around vocab numbers - somewhat arbitrary. [12:10] <JF> nuanced definitions: one says the type of help, the other is help options [12:11] <JF> one describes cognitive accessibility level, the other is the types of help we have (i.e. "human help", the other might be "FAQ") [12:12] <JF> one is accessibility features of the content (ex: types of symbols being used), the other is types of help (as above) [12:13] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> http://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/#inventory-user-needs [12:13] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Accessibility [12:16] <JF> LSK: should we be looking to align with the Web Schemas effort as well [12:17] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> q? [12:17] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue [12:17] <JF> LSK: so the big question is where do we put the Help module? [12:17] <JF> JS: sounds like a solid step forward [12:18] <JF> LSK: kind of like having the table values in the same place [12:19] <JF> LSK: perhaps we should mark what has come as "help" types (i.e Glossary = URI to glossary page) [12:19] <JF> perhaps separate the two and look at separately [12:20] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/new-format-for-help-module/help/index.html#vocabulary-explanation [12:23] <JF> JF: there are many types of help, so perhaps we should be "slivering" those out - i.e. define all the types of help we can imagine [12:25] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> overelap in module 1 : https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/semantics.html#destination [12:32] <JF> JF: this very much feels like a "Purpose, Use, or Destination" question. [12:33] <JF> LSK: suggesting overlap with Module 1 [12:34] <JF> LSK: suggest adding an Editor's note that indicates what has moved in from the Help module [12:35] <JF> 3 options: 1) identify what comes from Help Types, 2) make another column after tables, 3) make it back into 2 tables (types of help, accessibility support) [12:35] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> action: lisa to add editor note identifing what comes form help type so we merge it out into seprate vocab or into https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/semantics.html#destination [12:35] * RRSAgent records action 1 [12:37] == Roy [ran@public.cloak] has quit [Client closed connection] [12:37] * JF to add yourself to the queue type Q+ [12:38] * JF if you want a reminder you can type "Q+ to say...blah, blah, blah" [12:39] <JF> Sharon: agree that the 2 table suggestion makes it easier to read. I'd also be interested in looking at the Purpose Use or Destination effort, and apply it to other terms [12:40] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> lisa add ednot e we merge it out into seprate vocab or into https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/semantics.html#destination [12:40] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> we mightb [12:41] <JF> RESOLUTION: will separate out the two tables (apologies to Becky) to types of help, accessibility support. Lisa will add an Editor's Note that we are not fully resolved here - this may still be re-merged together or merged with something else [12:42] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> no merge until we fine tune it [12:43] == Roy [ran@public.cloak] has joined #personalization [12:44] <JF> zakim, take up next item [12:44] <Zakim> agendum 1. "tools module (If ready)" taken up [from LisaSeemanKestenbaum] [12:44] <JF> zakim, takeup item 3 [12:44] <Zakim> I don't understand 'takeup item 3', JF [12:44] <JF> zakim, take up item 3 [12:44] <Zakim> agendum 3. "do we have all the opinions for implementions at https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Comparison-of-ways-to-use-vocabulary-in-content" taken up [from [12:44] <Zakim> ... LisaSeemanKestenbaum] [12:45] <JF> LSK: implementation s wiki page - collecting all the data we looked at last week [12:45] <JF> this is a big task [12:45] <JF> we need to get this done however so that we can have a structured conversation [12:45] <JF> LSK: added a new row - support for the proposals we have [12:45] <JF> this is a first draft [12:48] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Comparison-of-ways-to-use-vocabulary-in-content [12:51] <JF> Task for this TF: review that page, and then add additional bullets (but do not delete). If you have concerns or issues, add to GitHub Issue tracker so that we can discuss this properly [12:53] <JF> Link Issue tracker items to the wiki page [12:53] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> and link the git isse to the page [12:53] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> and add link the git isse to the page [12:53] <JF> Once we are ready with this, we can have a structured discussion about approach [12:55] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> michael? [12:55] <JF> LSK: if we add things to the implementation table, perhaps Michael can edit the summary table [12:55] <JF> don't want to mess with the structure of that for now [12:56] <JF> LSK: (we can disagree with it, but if we start messing with it we may cause additional issues) [12:56] <JF> so one of our first steps will then be to review Michael's summary [12:57] <JF> RRSAgent, make logs public [12:57] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, JF [12:58] <JF> LSK: will ask Janina to add some content re: Media Queries [12:59] <JF> LSK: this does not have to be "definitive", add what we know so that we can continue the discussion [13:00] * JF notes that I have to jump very soon - top of the hour now [13:01] <JF> JS: will try and get on this ASAP [13:01] <JF> RRSAgent, make logs public [13:01] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, JF [13:01] == Roy [ran@public.cloak] has quit [] [13:01] <JF> trackbot, end meeting [13:02] <JF> trackbot, end meeting [13:02] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> rrsagent, create minutes [13:02] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/06/11-personalization-minutes.html LisaSeemanKestenbaum [13:03] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> zakim, please part [13:03] <Zakim> leaving. As of this point the attendees have been JF, Roy, MichaelC, janina, LisaSeemanKestenbaum, Sharon [13:03] == Zakim [zakim@public.cloak] has left #personalization [] [13:03] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> rrsagent, please part [13:03] <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in https://www.w3.org/2018/06/11-personalization-actions.rdf : [13:03] <RRSAgent> ACTION: lisa to add editor note identifing what comes form help type so we merge it out into seprate vocab or into https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/semantics.html#destination [1] [13:03] <RRSAgent> recorded in https://www.w3.org/2018/06/11-personalization-irc#T17-35-30 [13:03] == RRSAgent [rrsagent@public.cloak] has left #personalization [] [13:03] == Sharon [~Sharon@public.cloak] has quit ["Page closed"] === End Minutes === -- John Foliot Principal Accessibility Strategist Deque Systems Inc. john.foliot@deque.com Advancing the mission of digital accessibility and inclusion
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