Re: alarm bells - was Special meeting this Thursday regarding Personalization Semantics

The rules for using ARIA in HTML are defined here:
https://w3c.github.io/html-aria/

The Github repo is here:
https://github.com/w3c/html-aria/

This is the specification that determines which ARIA attributes may be 
used in HTML, and under what circumstances.

  Léonie.


On 12/04/2018 19:39, James Nurthen wrote:
> Lisa,
> 
> All the examples are already subject to change. In order to be able to 
> use the aui- prefix in HTML there needs to be agreement with the Web 
> Platform WG to allow these attributes in the host language. This 
> discussion needs to happen wherever the Personalization Semantics 
> Specification ends up - whether that is in APA or ARIA.
> 
> *James Nurthen*  |  Accessibility Engineer  |  Adobe  |  p. 
> 415.832.2734  |  c. 415.987.1918  |  nurthen@adobe.com
> 
> *From: *"lisa.seeman" <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 11:22 AM
> *To: *"lisa.seeman" <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>, ARIA Working Group 
> <public-aria@w3.org>
> *Cc: *Charles LaPierre <charlesl@benetech.org>, 
> public-personalization-tf <public-personalization-tf@w3.org>
> *Subject: *alarm bells - was Special meeting this Thursday regarding 
> Personalization Semantics
> *Resent-From: *<public-aria@w3.org>
> *Resent-Date: *Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 11:22 AM
> 
> Hi folks
> 
> I found the last few minuets of the call alarming. Is the implication of 
> moving that all the aria examples given in the specification become 
> invalid? These are all the inline examples!  If we leave ARIA is the 
> only way to implement it via microdata and RDFA?
> 
> Note only is it harder to do in these technologies we have NO 
> implementations, were as we have 6 implementations working on the aria 
> approach  - two of which are full consortiums with many members. None of 
> these implementations work with enough context and scoping capabilities 
> (that I know of) to support correct implementation using microdata or rDFA
> 
> I would guess that this will kill the whole effort and all the work in 
> getting implementation and excitement over what we are doing.
> 
> All the best
> 
> Lisa Seeman
> 
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> 
> ---- On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 19:55:13 +0300 
> *lisa.seeman<lisa.seeman@zoho.com>* wrote ----
> 
>     I should be able to make it
> 
>     All the best
> 
>     Lisa Seeman
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> 
>     ---- On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 19:41:00 +0300 *Charles
>     LaPierre<**charlesl@benetech.org*<mailto:charlesl@benetech.org>*>*wrote
>     ----
> 
>         Here are the specifics on the ARIA WG Special Meeting
> 
>         WAI-ARIA Working Group - 12 April 2018
> 
>         Time: 10:00 AM US Pacific, 1:00 PM US Eastern, 17:00 UTC
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>         Thanks
> 
>         EOM
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>         Charles LaPierre
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>             On Apr 10, 2018, at 9:14 AM, lisa.seeman
>             <lisa.seeman@zoho.com<mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com>> wrote:
> 
>             Can you clarify the time and call in details ?
> 
>             All the best
> 
>             Lisa Seeman
> 
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> 
>             ---- On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 18:34:51 +0300
>             *Ku<**jku@illinois.edu*<mailto:jku@illinois.edu>*>*wrote ----
> 
>                 +1  I will attend. – JaEun Jemma Ku
> 
>                 *From:*Thaddeus Cambron
>                 <inclusivethinking@gmail.com<mailto:inclusivethinking@gmail.com>>
> 
>                 *Sent:* Monday, April 9, 2018 4:57 PM
>                 *To:* Joanmarie Diggs
>                 <jdiggs@igalia.com<mailto:jdiggs@igalia.com>>
>                 *Cc:* ARIA Working Group
>                 <public-aria@w3.org<mailto:public-aria@w3.org>>;
>                 lisa.seeman
>                 <lisa.seeman@zoho.com<mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com>>;
>                 Charles LaPierre
>                 <charlesl@benetech.org<mailto:charlesl@benetech.org>>
>                 *Subject:* Re: [RSVP] Special meeting this Thursday
>                 regarding Personalization Semantics
> 
>                 +1 - Will attend - Thaddeus Cambron
> 
>                 On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Joanmarie Diggs
>                 <jdiggs@igalia.com<mailto:jdiggs@igalia.com>> wrote:
> 
>                     Hey all.
> 
>                     As those of you who attended last week's meeting are
>                     aware, we are
>                     considering moving the Personalization Task Force
>                     and its deliverables
>                     out of ARIA and into APA. This is still being
>                     discussed by the
>                     Personalization Task Force. See the mailing list
>                     thread opened with this
>                     message [1], along with the minutes from today's
>                     Personalization
>                     Semantics Task Force meeting [2].
> 
>                     Towards the end of today's meeting, in which some
>                     task force members
>                     were absent and during which no consensus was
>                     reached, I proposed the
>                     possibility of doing a WBS Survey to determine
>                     people's positions and
>                     hopefully get closer to identifying a way forward
>                     that we all can live
>                     with. Lisa pointed out that people shouldn't vote
>                     that have not heard
>                     both sides. I think her observation is quite
>                     reasonable and that before
>                     the ARIA Working Group vote in such a survey, we owe
>                     it to Lisa to give
>                     her sufficient time to present her case directly to
>                     the Working Group.
>                     For this reason, we are proposing to make this
>                     week's ARIA concall a
>                     one-topic meeting, namely Personalization Semantics.
> 
>                     The reason for the "[RSVP]" tag is that we want to
>                     ensure that all of
>                     the regular attendees, along with anyone else with
>                     an interest in this
>                     matter, will be at the meeting to hear Lisa's
>                     presentation.
> 
>                     Thank you in advance for your response!
>                     --joanie
> 
>                     [1]
>                     https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2018Apr/0001.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.w3.org%2FArchives%2FPublic%2Fpublic-personalization-tf%2F2018Apr%2F0001.html&data=02%7C01%7Cnurthen%40adobe.com%7Cbfc90a16e5094b20cd8108d5a0a2609a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636591541660472556&sdata=%2FOXCfTHhZ6AMoox3wPS7SA87zj2n9xaAbsTXy8Zzf0Q%3D&reserved=0>
>                     [2]
>                     https://www.w3.org/2018/04/09-personalization-minutes.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2018%2F04%2F09-personalization-minutes.html&data=02%7C01%7Cnurthen%40adobe.com%7Cbfc90a16e5094b20cd8108d5a0a2609a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636591541660472556&sdata=ihPa7Iv82h7DrNe4mXNHQQcA4%2BD%2B2a0aSVcI3F4XxwY%3D&reserved=0>
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