- From: Michael Schneider <schneid@fzi.de>
- Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 01:42:26 +0200
- To: Bijan Parsia <bparsia@cs.man.ac.uk>
- CC: Ian Horrocks <ian.horrocks@cs.ox.ac.uk>, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>, <public-owl-wg@w3.org>, "Public-Rif-Wg (E-mail)" <public-rif-wg@w3.org>, "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" <pfpschneider@gmail.com>, Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>, "Evain, Jean-Pierre" <evain@ebu.ch>
Am 07.05.2012 12:42, schrieb Bijan Parsia: > On 7 May 2012, at 11:29, Michael Schneider wrote: > >> Am 07.05.2012 00:19, schrieb Ian Horrocks: >>> Hi Bijan (et al), >>> >>> According to my understanding, we agreed to keep the WG alive so that we could fix any OWL 2 problems caused by changes to XSD 1.1 and update the OWL 2 Rec to reference the XSD 1.1 Rec. It was also foreseen that we could take advantage of this update to fix any editorial errata in the OWL 2 Rec. >>> >>> While I agree that the dividing line between editorial errata and substantive changes is not 100% clear, it does seem pretty obvious to me that adding support for a new datatype goes beyond the spirit of this agreement. >> >> I agree! > > But, you know, who the heck cares about the spirit of some agreement? Oops, sorry for having been so short on words - that's not what people generally expect from me and, certainly, I have more to say than simply agreeing to Ian. :-) Fine, not talking about procedural stuff here, and also not mentioning (ok, I do) that I believe that it's not so easy to bring a working group happily back to work after 2 1/2 years, there is still the question whether these three datatypes are technically appropriate for inclusion in OWL at all (whether in OWL 2, or OWL 2.1, or whatever). So here is the situation as I recall it: First to say, it's not that these datatypes were simply forgotten to be considered, as some people seem to believe. Rather, at least two of them were discussed and then excluded deliberately. Below is my understanding of why and when this happened. NOTE: In the remainder, whenever I refer to the XSD datatype spec, I refer to the Candidate Recommendation as of 30 April 2009, which was the one to which the OWL 2 and RIF specs currently refer to. 1) xsd:time IIRC, the OWL WG had adopted a certain design principle for the time-related datatypes of OWL 2, which was the "timeOnTimeline" property, as defined in the XSD datatype spec [1]: each data value in the value space of a datatype must be exactly one point on the everlasting time line. This is certainly fulfilled by xsd:dateTimeStamp, which is included in OWL 2. In xsd:time, however, each data value specifies infinitely many times on the time line: "12:00:00 o'clock" happens every day! In fact, The XSD spec at that time said [2]: time represents instants of time that recur at the same point in each calendar day, or that occur in some arbitrary calendar day. For OWL 2 reasoners (well, actually for the OWL 2 semantics), such a definition is a problem, because they have to decide for two given times whether the two times are equal or not and, if not, whether one time value is smaller or larger than the other one. Comparisons of this sort become particularly troublesome, if one tries to compare, say, a xsd:time value with a xsd:dateTimeStamp value: the dateTimeStamp value is a fixed point on the time line, but any xsd:time value will refer to time points both before and after that fixed time point. The corresponding OWL WG issue was ISSUE-126 [3]. The description of the issue swiftly mentions the problems of the time-related datatypes. There was a long discussion on this issue, as you can see from the list of references below the issue description; I guess, these mails contain more discussion on the xsd:time datatype problem, but I haven't read them all. The eventually accepted proposal (which only mentions xsd:dateTime but not any of the other time-related datatypes anymore) to resolve the issue was [4], with resolution at F2F3 [5] and implementation by ACTION-177 [6]. 2) xsd:date Here, the situation was different compared to xsd:time, as data values in the value space of xsd:date do not represent time points, but time /intervals/, as stated in the old version of the spec [7]: date represents top-open intervals of exactly one day in length on the timelines of dateTime, beginning on the beginning moment of each day, up to but not including the beginning moment of the next day. This, of course, is also not compatible with the single-point-on-timeline design criteria. Consequently, xsd:date was excluded by the resolution of ISSUE-126 as well. 3) xsd:duration Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find any discussion on xsd:duration in the OWL WG mailing list. The reason might be that this datatype was already excluded in the XSD datatype map of RDF [8]: The other built-in XML Schema datatypes are unsuitable for various reasons, and SHOULD NOT be used: xsd:duration does not have a well-defined value space In retrospect, this first came to a surprise to me, so let's see how the value space of xsd:duration was defined in the old CR of XSD 1.1 [9] (long after the RDF rec, which still referred to XSD 1.0!): Duration values can be modelled as two-property tuples. Each value consists of an integer number of months and a decimal number of seconds. Hrmpf, that appears to me a strange definition: why months? The length of a month is not well-defined, it may be anything between 28 and 31 days. So it would be easy to give two xsd:duration literals, basically consisting of month-second tuples, for which it becomes non-well-defined whether they are equal or, if not, which of them is smaller or larger. In fact, the text continues by: duration is partially ordered. Sorry, but... I'm not clear where this idea of using months as part of the value space definition came from. Anyhow, for OWL 2 reasoners, adopting xsd:duration would make things troublesome, as some OWL 2 ontologies would not have a well-defined semantics then. * * * Now, so far for the situation at the time of OWL 2 recommendation. All three datatypes, according to their definitions in the XSD candidate recommendation at the time of OWL 2 and RIF spec, provided problems for OWL 2, be it with respect to the one-point-on-timeline design criteria (xsd:time and xsd:date), or with regard to well-definedness of the (two) OWL 2 semantics (xsd:time and xsd:duration). I leave it to the proponents of these datatypes to explain what has changed in the XSD spec since the recommendation of OWL 2 to allow for these datatypes to be included now, such that (a) the design decisions made for OWL 2 are retained and (b) without rendering the semantics of OWL 2 non-well-defined. Best, Michael References: [1] <http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/CR-xmlschema11-2-20090430/#vp-dt-timeOnTimeline> [2] <http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/CR-xmlschema11-2-20090430/#time> [3] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Jun/0138.html> [4] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Jul/0433.html> [5] <http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-07-29#resolution_1> [6] <http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/177> [7] <http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/CR-xmlschema11-2-20090430/#date> [8] <http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-rdf-mt-20040210/#XSDtable> [9] <http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/CR-xmlschema11-2-20090430/#duration> -- ......................................................... 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