- From: Hector G. Ceballos <ceballos@itesm.mx>
- Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:50:12 -0500
- To: "'Uli Sattler'" <sattler@cs.man.ac.uk>
- Cc: <public-owl-dev-request@w3.org>, <Soeren.Kemmann@iese.fraunhofer.de>, <public-owl-dev@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <03a101cc4174$8d29a430$a77cec90$@itesm.mx>
Thank you Uli, It would be great having a textbook for introducing non-logicians to ontology engineering. Members of this mailing list constantly (and repeatedly) answers this kind of doubts, which I deeply appreciate, but the interest of other area experts would decrease if they don’t get what they expect when they are trying to codify their common-sense in an ontology. Thanks again for the references. Best regards, Hector G. Ceballos From: Uli Sattler [mailto:sattler@cs.man.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:00 AM To: ceballos@itesm.mx Cc: public-owl-dev-request@w3.org; Soeren.Kemmann@iese.fraunhofer.de; public-owl-dev@w3.org Subject: Re: Using cardinality restrictions Pascal Hitzler and friends have written one that might help Foundations of Semantic Web Technologies Pascal Hitzler, Kno.e.sis Center at Wright State University, Dayton, Ohio, USA; Markus Krotzsch, University of Oxford, Oxford, UK; Sebastian Rudolph, University of Karlsruhe, Karlsruhe, Germany - but I am afraid that you won't really get around the logic bit...other than that, I don't know of any other textbook style book. Then there is the DL Handbook (logic, I know), the OWL 2 primer, and general overview papers of OWL (e.g., http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.2.7039 <http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.2.7039&rep=rep1&ty pe=pdf> &rep=rep1&type=pdf ) Cheers, Uli On 13 Jul 2011, at 15:47, ceballos@itesm.mx wrote: Is there any didactic book with kind of recipies for questions like this? And I don't mean a logic one but an OWL one. Cheers Hector g Ceballos Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel _____ From: Uli Sattler <sattler@cs.man.ac.uk> Sender: public-owl-dev-request@w3.org Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:46:13 +0100 To: <Soeren.Kemmann@iese.fraunhofer.de> Cc: <public-owl-dev@w3.org> Subject: Re: Using cardinality restrictions On 13 Jul 2011, at 14:28, <Soeren.Kemmann@iese.fraunhofer.de> wrote: Hi Uli, hi @all, Yes, that makes sense! I was trying to build a small example analog to the famous pizza example. The difference is that I do not want to assign instances to the partitions and use them, but I want to just define instances and have the reasoner interfere to which class they belong to. I’m sorry … but I couldn’t achieve this yet. This is what I did: My Class Hierarchy: Thing - RefClass - TestValuePartition == (Part1 union Part2) - Part1 - Part2 Part1 and Part 2 are marked as disjoint. Furthermore, I defined that Part 1 has some references to RefClass (hasRef some Class). Now, if I create two instances with asserted type TestValuePartition, one that has a reference to an instance of RefClass and the other having no instance. again, be careful, 'the other having no *known* [reference to an] instance of RefClass. Due to the value partition I would have expected that instance 1 is interfered to be of Part1 ....and this works (as you say below) and instance 2 to be of Part2, but again only Part1 works! same as before: instance 2 may or may not have a hasRef-successor, so we have not enough information to say whether instance 2 is an instance of Part1 or of Part2... Instance 2 stays as being a TestValuePartition instance (only). For me the Value Partition is in this case not a value partition!? What am I missing? I am afraid you are missing the open world assumption (and thus of possible, but neither necessarily true, nor necessarily false facts - e.g., instance 2 is possibly an instance of Part1, possibly an instance of Part2, thus not necessarily an instance of either)...check for 'closure axioms'! Cheers, Uli Thanks a lot! Cheers, Sören From: Uli Sattler [mailto:sattler@cs.man.ac.uk] Sent: Dienstag, 12. Juli 2011 17:35 To: Kemmann, Soeren Cc: public-owl-dev@w3.org Subject: Re: Using cardinality restrictions On 12 Jul 2011, at 10:27, <Soeren.Kemmann@iese.fraunhofer.de> wrote: Hi there, I’m trying to model (with Protégé 3.4.6 with Pellet Reasoner … just in case it matters) that a class A has two subclasses B and C, where B and C are disjoint. The distinction I want to make is that every instance of A is either of subclass B or of C dependent on the cardinality of a property p. The “test” is whether the instance has values assigned to property p ( p min 1). This kind of works … the instances are interfered to be of that type. But the other class does not work. If tried (p max 0), (p exactly 0), (p exactly 0 RangeClass), but nothing works. I’m using OWL-DL and as far as I understood 0/1 cardinalities are ok for OWL-DL, right? Hi Soeren, yes, they do - I guess you have, in your ontology, something like B SubClassOf C A SubClassOf C %% these two axioms aren't really necessary if you have the 2 below... A EquivalentClass C and (p min 1) B EquivalentClass C and (p max 0) ....and then when you have an instance of C with - 1 known p-successor, they are classified as being an instance of A - no known p-successor, they are ... only classified as being an instance of C - and you wonder why... The reason is found in the word 'known' used above: your instance of C has no *known* p-successor, but could have some, due to the open world assumption! So, how to rescue this? For example, you could say explicitly how many p-successors an individual has...in general, you need a 'closure' statement that says that the *known* p-successors are all p-successors. If I remember correctly, the famous Pizza tutorial explains this in detail (see http://owl.cs.manchester.ac.uk/tutorials/protegeowltutorial/ ) Cheers, Uli Thanks a lot! Cheers, Sören Dipl. Inf. Soeren Kemmann Fraunhofer IESE Fraunhofer-Platz 1, 67663 Kaiserslautern, Germany Tel.: +49 (0) 631 / 6800 - 2218 Fax.: +49 (0) 631 / 6800 - 9 2218 <mailto:soeren.kemmann@iese.fraunhofer.de> mailto:soeren.kemmann@iese.fraunhofer.de
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