- From: Pascal Hitzler <pascal.hitzler@wright.edu>
- Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:33:59 -0500
- To: DJA222 <dja222@hotmail.com>
- Cc: public-owl-comments@w3.org
On 11/19/2010 11:15 AM, DJA222 wrote: > Dear Pascal and Jie, > > Thank you very much for your response. To my great relief I found out > that it is a hot topic and that it indeed has W3C's full attention. > > As to Pascals last remark "...it needs spelling out explicitly...", > I'd like to give a small example. What I mean with "spelling out explicitly" is - concrete proposals are needed (syntax + formal semantics) together with evidence of implementability in a reasonable way. Or at least that's the first step :) > Assume a class Person with 10 > pre-defined individuals, 4 have the property+value "isMale true", 4 > have "isMale false" and 2 don't have the property "isMale" at all. If > one takes the Open World Assumption (OWA) VERY literally (i.e. into > the extreme), then during instantiation of a class expression "Person > and (isMale value true)", the reasoner (Fact++, Pellet, etc.) might > reason as follows: I indeed see 4 individuals that have the > property+value "isMale true" visible(/explicitly) and the rest that > have either another visible value for this property or don't have the > property visible at all. But applying OWA (into the extreme) ,now who > doesn't tell me that the other individuals don't have some hidden > "isMale true" that I cannot see? Ergo: I can't give a result at all! That fortunately won't happen :) You do get the 4 results for which it is known, and that's fine. > But it DOES give a result, namely the 4 individuals with "isMale > true"! I.m.h.o: isn't this a result that stems from Closed World > Assumption (CWA) or do I overlook something essential ?! I wouldn't think so. It would be closed world if the reply would also state: "These are all that have this property". The response, however, comes with an implicit: "These are all of which I know that they have this property" which is completely in synch with the OWA. Pascal. > Many thanks in advance, Best Regards, DJ > > > > > From: Jie Bao Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 3:16 PM To: Pascal > Hitzler Cc: DJA222 ; public-owl-comments@w3.org Subject: Re: Elegant > solution to let OWL/RDF cover Closed World Assumptions (CWA), incl > unique Name Assumption (UNA) > > > In similar spirit, axioms with CWA and UNA can be seen as special > cases of integrity constraints. A semantics is proposed in [1]. DJ's > proposal gave it a syntax. > > > [1] http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~taoj2/publications/IC-AAAI-2010.pdf > > > Regards Jie > > > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 14:01, Pascal > Hitzler<pascal.hitzler@wright.edu> wrote: > > It has indeed crossed my mind (and that of some of the people I've > been talking with) that one may want to have a simple "closure" - > i.e., something much simpler than what most non-monotonic formalisms > provide. It seems, though, that some of the things you describe below > can be achieved by the autoepistemic K operator [1,2], by DL-safe > variables [3,4], or the approach proposed in [5]. In any case, it > needs spelling out explicitly... > > Best Regards, > > Pascal. > > > [1] http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=1754399.1754403 > > [2] > http://knoesis.wright.edu/faculty/pascal/resources/publications/mknftheo.pdf > > [3] > http://knoesis.wright.edu/faculty/pascal/resources/publications/ELP_iswc08.pdf > > [4] http://korrekt.org/page/Description_Logic_Rules_%28monograph%29 > > [5] > http://knoesis.wright.edu/faculty/pascal/resources/publications/ELP2.pdf > > > > > > On 11/16/2010 12:52 PM, DJA222 wrote: > > Dear OWL Staff, > > Hereby I would like to suggest an elegant solution to let OWL/RDF > cover Closed World Assumptions (CWA), incl Unique Name Assumption > (UNA). > > Due to its Open World Assumption (OWA), OWL/RDF can hardly be used > for e.g.: 1. finding (:instantiating) pre-defined individuals with a > certain number of properties or without these properties at all > (e.g. cardinality 0). 2. validation. OWL/RDF's OWA asserts that > everything is possible (->infinite) until asserted otherwise by > constraints (->finite). But doesn't infinity envelopes finity? Isn't > processing things in a finite world (CWA) just a valid part of the > infinite world (OWA)? Finite means that things are or (immidiately) > can be made explicit. Then why not simply introduce a term like > e.g."Explicit" that can be added to every constraint and applies to > things/values that are visible at the very moment of instantiation? > > Example class expression: Person and (hasChild exactly 0 Explicit) : > at the very moment that this class is being instantiated it "scans" > for (pre-definied) individuals in class Person for which the > property "hasChild" is explicitly absent (:exactly 0 Explicit). > Although OWL/RDF itself leaves open the possibility that the > individuals still might have hidden "hasChild" properties, the > reasoner just looks for explicitly absent properties because the > class expression tells it to do so. > > This way it can also be used for validation/integrity-check with a > class expression with "Explicit" included: if something is asserted, > that can't be derived from explicitly present assertions at the very > moment of instantiation, than this will be reported: NOT as being a > OWL/RDF error/conflict/inconsistency, but just as a note to the user > who fabricated this class expression. Again, without OWL/RDF itself > denying that there might still be assertions that are just not > visible at the moment of instantiation. > > Same story for UNA: by adding a term like e.g. "Unique" in a class > expression it might notify the user (who wrote the expression) upon > instantiation, that it has found individuals who are asserted > (directly or implied) to be identical but have different names or > that it has found more individuals than expected. Again, without > OWL/RDF itself denying that there might by assertions that are just > not visible at the moment of instantiation. > > All above OWL/RDF examples would still comply with OWA and Non-UNA > demands, by assuming the possible outcome (with the terms "Explicit" > and "Unique" used in expressions) not as OWL/RDF conlicts, but just > as (user) notifications. > > Above is extremely important in research where INDIVIDUALS and > relations between them are at the focus, instead of the more generic > class approach. In certain researches, thousands and thousands of > data snippets (:Individuals) come in from different places and you > want to look for certain properties/relations that these pieces > share/have with/to one another. This can not easily be automated > with present OWL/RDF. Yes, one might use SPARQL in some ways, but the > aim is to let simple class instantiation do its work. > > In my conviction, with a slight addition, OWL/RDF semantics can > proof to be a more complete basis for ANY semantic real world > application and solution, and not just for a limited part! > > Hopefully you might reconsider this idea, or find find some similar > solution, that really is in the need of many (potential) OWL/RDF > practitioners. > > Sincerely yours, > > DJ Alexander > > > > -- Prof. Dr. Pascal Hitzler Dept. of Computer Science, Wright State > University, Dayton, OH pascal@pascal-hitzler.de > http://www.knoesis.org/pascal/ Semantic Web Textbook: > http://www.semantic-web-book.org Semantic Web Journal: > http://www.semantic-web-journal.net > > > > -- Prof. Dr. Pascal Hitzler Dept. of Computer Science, Wright State University, Dayton, OH pascal@pascal-hitzler.de http://www.knoesis.org/pascal/ Semantic Web Textbook: http://www.semantic-web-book.org Semantic Web Journal: http://www.semantic-web-journal.net
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