- From: Ivan Kachkivskyi <ivan.work.mail@gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 19:20:52 +0200
- To: "'Martin Alvarez-Espinar'" <martin.alvarez@fundacionctic.org>
- Cc: "'public-opentrack'" <public-opentrack@w3.org>
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Martin, maybe then we start with IAAF official list and then will be adding all other information (maybe also put in notes what was the source of data – IAAF official, Tilastopaja, RFEA, FLAU, etc)? So I’ll be waiting what will be decided and not to do double work.
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Ivan Kachkivskyi
Official Ukrainian Statistician, ATFS Member
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E-mail: ivan@ivan.org.ua
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From: Martin Alvarez-Espinar [mailto:martin.alvarez@fundacionctic.org]
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 6:15 PM
To: Ivan Kachkivskyi <ivan.work.mail@gmail.com>
Cc: public-opentrack <public-opentrack@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Disciplines/Event code list
Done. Thanks, Ivan.
But, please note that this is just an example I created in order to illustrate the complexity. Maybe we can pick up a subset of that proposal (the IAAF official event types? the ones Tilastopaja has? other?)
Happy New Year!!
Martin
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 2:25 PM Ivan Kachkivskyi <ivan.work.mail@gmail.com <mailto:ivan.work.mail@gmail.com> > wrote:
Hi Martin,
I could not edit the Event’s lists, no access. If you share write access I can put Ukr/Rus event names translation.
Thank you and Happy New Year to everyone!
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From: Martin Alvarez-Espinar [mailto:martin.alvarez@fundacionctic.org]
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 7:05 PM
To: Ivan Kachkivskyi <ivan.work.mail@gmail.com <mailto:ivan.work.mail@gmail.com> >
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Subject: Re: Disciplines/Event code list
Thank you, Ivan. Very helpful.
Best,
Martin
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017, 17:58 Ivan Kachkivskyi, <ivan.work.mail@gmail.com <mailto:ivan.work.mail@gmail.com> > wrote:
Sorry, missing attachment.
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Ivan Kachkivskyi
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From: Ivan Kachkivskyi [mailto:ivan.work.mail@gmail.com <mailto:ivan.work.mail@gmail.com> ]
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 6:45 PM
To: 'Martin Alvarez-Espinar' <martin.alvarez@fundacionctic.org <mailto:martin.alvarez@fundacionctic.org> >
Cc: 'public-opentrack' <public-opentrack@w3.org <mailto:public-opentrack@w3.org> >
Subject: RE: Disciplines/Event code list
Dear Martin, All
I have attached IAAF Terms and abbreviations Appendix from IAAF Technical Delegates Guidelines. This could be helpful source of information for you, if you have not seen it before.
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From: Martin Alvarez-Espinar [mailto:martin.alvarez@fundacionctic.org]
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 10:03 PM
To: Ivan Kachkivskyi <ivan.work.mail@gmail.com <mailto:ivan.work.mail@gmail.com> >
Cc: Andy Robinson <andy@reportlab.com <mailto:andy@reportlab.com> >; public-opentrack <public-opentrack@w3.org <mailto:public-opentrack@w3.org> >
Subject: Re: Disciplines/Event code list
Thanks, Ivan.
I have to translate the names into English as well. The list I got is in Spanish. If we had it with multilingual descriptions it would be great. I'll clean the list up in order to make it more readable.
Best,
Martin
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017, 18:33 Ivan Kachkivskyi, <ivan.work.mail@gmail.com <mailto:ivan.work.mail@gmail.com> > wrote:
Hi all,
I can go across the lists to check with Ukraine event codes and maybe add Cyrillic translation of the events.
What do you think?
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Ivan Kachkivskyi
Official Ukrainian Statistician, ATFS Member
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E-mail: ivan@ivan.org.ua <mailto:ivan@ivan.org.ua>
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From: Martin Alvarez-Espinar [mailto:martin.alvarez@fundacionctic.org <mailto:martin.alvarez@fundacionctic.org> ]
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 7:06 PM
To: Andy Robinson <andy@reportlab.com <mailto:andy@reportlab.com> >
Cc: public-opentrack <public-opentrack@w3.org <mailto:public-opentrack@w3.org> >
Subject: Re: Disciplines/Event code list
Hi,
As promised, I requested the bulk of the Spanish DB with *all* official competitions in Spain, including youth sports. I aligned their model with my proposal and it fits almost perfect. Just some differences in the "venue type". It includes Cross Country, Road, and Mountain to the existing Outdoor, Indoor.
In total, 695 different event types!!! Some of them may be simplified in my opinion. 100m outdoors is the same discipline for men and women, and the model has one per gender. That information of gender-age category is included in another aspect of the model.
It includes the "official" disciplines but also some concrete ones, such as 'Basque Javelin Throw' or '2x30m round-trip' :-)
I think we can find a unique representation of the common events, and offer the flexible extension for those who want to extend the model.
Feel free to have a look and comment on the example:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OxjfZ4AkE8RTZc2mgBXLJhwdLD3pcwAC2V51hiHT_cU/edit?usp=sharing
After testing this, I will create an ETL to convert and export the tabular information into JSON (LD).
Best,
Martin
On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 9:48 AM Martin Alvarez-Espinar <martin.alvarez@fundacionctic.org <mailto:martin.alvarez@fundacionctic.org> > wrote:
Thanks, Andy.
I've requested Spanish Federation a bulk of their DB of event types. They store over 600 different ones so perhaps is a good test to see the feasibility of both the model and codes.
Martin
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 12:20 PM Andy Robinson <andy@reportlab.com <mailto:andy@reportlab.com> > wrote:
On 29 November 2017 at 10:52, Martin Alvarez-Espinar
<martin.alvarez@fundacionctic.org <mailto:martin.alvarez@fundacionctic.org> > wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> In today's meeting, we discussed the need for having event codes. I think
> this is crucial and we should define a set of disciplines or type of events
> (please clarify the term, English speaking experts :)
After very long argument last year between 'discipline' and 'event',
we agreed to call these 'event codes'. This is one area where you
will be wrong and annoy 50% of the people whatever you choose, but we
probably have thousands of lines of code with variables called
'event_code' in our app and the JSON. Please let's not 'un-decide'
that again!!!
> 4) I didn't think about the codes, so Reportlab's are good to me, but every
> single discipline must have a unique code. A code must be part of a URI.
> Behind the URI, you will find the definition of the event.
Please see what athlib and our platform are doing...
http://opentrack.run/athlib/build/html/eventcodes.html#event-codes
What's missing from this is simply a compact "microformat" notation
for the different hurdle height/spacings.
>
> So, for instance, '110m Hurdles Men' could be identified by the URI:
> <https://w3c.github.io/opentrack/eventcode/110H36>
>
> the description of this discipline would be (complete description with
> simplified notation):
> {
> "type" : "Hurdles",
> "name": "110m Hurdles Men",
> "venueType" : "Outdoors",
> "lenght" : "100",
> "height" : "1.067",
> "spacing" : "9.14" <- units must be described properly
> }
>
> We don't need to have an exhaustive DB at the beginning (just name and
> taxonomy would be enough) but just the mechanism to be able to do it in the
> future.
Mirko also has a database table of about 100 different variants of
events which lists the examples "found in the wild" so far. It would
be a great start. What would be useful is notes on who uses that
variation. e.g. ("This spacing was used by Estonian U20 men from 19xx
to 20yy")
- Andy
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