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Re: OA and provenance

From: Robert Bolick <robert.bolick@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 08:29:41 +0100
Message-ID: <CAEXV2qHD3j3OqRRq6B=ApUVetaSQzXcqhPVyuXs5Et6_4pPoAw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Paolo Ciccarese <paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com>
Cc: public-openannotation <public-openannotation@w3.org>
Many thanks, Paolo!   My struggle was rooted in my experience in a more
literary domain.  Your descriptions of the research process to which Domeo
is applied clarified the case completely.

It also puts into relief the philosophical difficulty of your question of
trying to distinguish agents according to the primary and secondary nature
of the relationships they create when the core process in which the
secondary agents are engaged could be a "tertiary" one:  one secondary
agent's annotation of another secondary agent's annotation, thereby
transforming the latter into a "derivative conceptual annotation".

And to boot, crowdsourcing seems not to like a hierarchical view.

Cheers,
BobB

On Thursday, August 15, 2013, Paolo Ciccarese wrote:

> Dear Robert,
> my comments inline.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Robert Bolick <robert.bolick@gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'robert.bolick@gmail.com');>
> > wrote:
>
>> A curious case, Paolo.
>>
>
> the use case I presented is already in production (with Annotation
> Ontology and PAV) and the idea is that Domeo tracks both the primary and
> the secondary actors as they are both important.
> In my case (biomedicine and science) the secondary actor is also very
> important as there could be some substantial 'curation' involved and you
> are really interested in knowing who performed it. I've used the Darwin
> example as that is the one we put in the specs.
>
>
>>
>> In trying to place it in context, I thought of a scholar who might be
>> preparing a digital set of volumes annotated by some notable person.
>>
>> In that context, would it be so important to keep track of the scholar at
>> the individual annotation level?  Wouldn't the identity of the scholar be
>> associated with the digital set -- Darwin's Annotated Library, The Digital
>> Edition, edited by Paolo Ciccarese?
>>
>
> The way Domeo works is that we have 'annotation sets' that are created by
> an agent but can then enriched and modified by other agents to whom the
> first agent gave editing permissions.
> We are basically allowing for crowd sourcing of the annotation creation
> and curation (normally to scientists or scholars).
>
> Surely you can have cases in which the whole annotation set is contributed
> by one single agent, but that is not always the case. For instance, I can
> crowd source to an entire class the task of encoding all the annotations of
> a manuscripts and the editor could be the instructor. The students might be
> even evaluated for their individual contributions.
> Again that is just an example, in general the idea with Domeo is to allow
> flexibility in the management of annotations and their collections.
>
>
>>
>> At the most granular level, the establishing of a relationship between a
>> resource and the annotation of the resource would in most cases be the act
>> (Darwin's annotation of a passage in a book in his library or in his
>> manuscripts) that is more meaningful to track, not that of the secondary
>> actor (the scholar).
>>
>
> I tend to track both agent and the application that has been used to
> perform the task. When something is not accurate or even wrong I would want
> to know what happened. Even the simple association task could require some
> expertise.
>
>
>>
>> I'm struggling to come up with a context in which there are multiple
>> actors engaged in using some OA aware tools to formalize the capture of the
>> conceptual annotation, and it is necessary or meaningful to track them
>> individually.
>>
>> Perhaps some collaborative activity of commentators on annotations?   Or
>> students in a VLMS each commenting on one or more of Darwin's annotations?
>>  If the latter counts as a legitimate contextualization of the case, do we
>> end up with some further complications?
>>
>
>> 1) Is there a need to designate differently the student who comments on
>> another student's comments about the annotation?
>>
>> 2) Is there a need to designate differently the instructor who comments
>> on each of the students' comments about the annotation?
>>
>
> I am not sure I fully comprehend the two questions. I'll give it a shot
> and you can tell me if I am off topic.
>
> I  track the agent that contributed the annotations. Some of this agents
> can be students, some researchers, some students and so on.
> By using proper provenance it is possible to distinguish all the possible
> cases. In some contexts that is a very important distinction.
> If we annotate classroom material we probably want to know if the comments
> has been made by a students, by an instructor or by a very important expert
> in the field.
> Also we can have annotation of annotations. So a student/instructor can
> comment on an existing annotation and so on.
>
> In any case, getting back to my original email, I am debating how the
> listed PAV properties and oa:annotatedBy relate to each other. I cannot
> drop the PAV properties as they guarantee me the expressiveness I need but
> I want to make sure the whole representation is coherent.
>
> Best,
> Paolo
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Paolo Ciccarese <
> paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
> I would like to share a solution that I am currently implementing in Domeo
> in relation to provenance and a question related to it. Apologies in
> advance for the length of the email.
>
> Use Case: I am dealing with an existing annotation that is written on
> paper. The author of the annotation can be the author of the original
> manuscript or a third party (let's assume the latter for this example). The
> annotation is anchored in a specific location of the original text. My user
> is transforming that annotation into a OA annotation. It is very similar to
> the Darwin's annotation in the specs [1] but I got to a slightly different
> conclusion.
>
> I would like to keep track of:
> - the agent that creates the OA annotation
> - the application the agent used to create the annotation (could be
> different than the application that serialized the annotation)
> - the author of the body of the annotation (third party)
> - the author of the original association of the annotation with the
> original text
>
> In Domeo I use PAV (Provenance Authoring and Versioning ontology) [2][3]
> and I append to the oa:Annotation the following properties
>
> 1) pav:createdBy -> Domeo user
> An agent primarily responsible for encoding the digital artifact or
> resource representation. This creation is distinct from forming the
> content, which is indicated with pav:contributedBy or its subproperties.
> It is more specific than dct:createdBy - which might or might not be
> interpreted to also cover the creation of the content of the artifact.
>
> 2) pav:createdOn -> When the Domeo user created the digital object
> The date of creation of the digital artifact or resource representation.
> The agents responsible can be indicated with pav:createdBy.
>
> 3) pav:createdAt -> Where the user created the digital object
> The geo-location of the agent that created the annotation.
>
> 4) pav:createdWith -> In may case the Domeo tool
> The software/tool used by the creator (pav:createdBy) when making the
> digital resource, for instance a word processor or an annotation tool. A
> more independent software agent that creates the resource without direct
> interactions by a human creator should instead be indicated using
> pav:createdBy.
>
> 5) pav:authoredBy -> The author of the original annotation on paper
> Indicates an agent that originated or gave existence to the work that is
> expressed by the digital resource. The author of the content of a resource
> may be different from the creator of that resource representation
> (pav:createdBy), although they are often the same. The author is usually
> not a software agent (which would be indicated with pav:createdWith,
> pav:createdBy or pav:importedBy), unless the software actually authored the
> content itself; for instance an artificial intelligence algorithm which
> authored a piece of music or a machine learning algorithm that authored a
> classification of a tumor sample
>
> 6) pav:authoredOn -> The date of the original annotation
> Indicates the date this resource was authored by the agents given by
> pav:authoredBy. Note that pav:authoredOn is different from pav:createdOn,
> although their values are often the same.
>
> In summary I have something like:
>
> <ann1> a oa:Annotation
>    pav:createdBy -Paolo-
>    pav:createdOn -today-
>    pav:createdWith -Domeo-
>    pav:createdAt -Boston location-
>    pav:authoredBy -Annotationís author-
>    pav:authoredOn -Date of the original annotation-
>
> In other words, using PAV I can keep the distinction between the creator
> of the digital artifact and the author of the original content/association.
>
> However, there are possibly a couple of overlaps with the current OA
> properties. As I would like to provide the OA provenance as well, I am
> wondering which of the following applies:
> <ann1> a oa:Annotation ;
>     oa:annotatedBy <Paolo> .
> or
> <ann1> a oa:Annotation ;
>     oa:annotatedBy <OriginalAuthor> .
>
> Or compared to PAV:
> - pav:createdBy =? oa:annotatedBy --or--
> - pav:authoredBy =? oa:annotatedBy
>
> Looking at the Darwinís example in the specs, if the student is digitizing
> a note from Darwin on his own content I would say:
> <ann2> a oa:Annotation
>    pav:createdBy -Student-
>    pav:createdOn -2013-
>    pav:createdWith -Domeo-
>    pav:createdAt -Boston location-
>    pav:authoredBy -Darwin-
>    pav:authoredOn -Date of the original annotation-
> <
>
>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Paolo Ciccarese
> http://www.paolociccarese.info/
> Biomedical Informatics Research & Development
> Instructor of Neurology at Harvard Medical School
> Assistant in Neuroscience at Mass General Hospital
> Member of the MGH Biomedical Informatics Core
> +1-857-366-1524 (mobile)   +1-617-768-8744 (office)
>
>

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