Re: F2F Decision: Multiple Resources

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Robert Sanderson <azaroth42@gmail.com>wrote:

> Regarding (1), we were waiting for any feedback from the list before
> writing up a new draft :)
>
> Currently we don't have collections of annotations as in scope for the
> current work.  That said, we certainly can't prevent oa:Set (etc) from
> being used with annotations as the object of item, as any resource
> must be able to be put there.
>
Fair enough.  My reading of the report was over-anxious about the sentence
"The same classes will be used for Bodies, Targets and Specifiers."


>
> And for (3), the idea was to have a resource that was both an oa:List
> and an rdf:List. Then if future RDF versions have a better way of
> dealing with ordering, then we would not lose our own List class, but
> inherit the new version.
>
+1 for that plan. My point is that if there is any realistic direction
presently seen toward the arrival of that wonderful future, then we should
think a little about whether we inadvertently preclude that oa:List easily
join that future more-or-less painlessly.  \If/ there is already a roadmap
to the RDF future for ordering, and \if/ we can understand the relation of
oa:List to that putative future,  we should at least make our adoption with
eyes wide open.

Bob


> Rob
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Bob Morris <morris.bob@gmail.com> wrote:
> > With respect to the Multiple Resources model[1] that emerged in Chicago
> >
> > 1. It would be nice if the Issues List reflected what Rob's initial
> proposal
> > morphed into, and the discussion continued there. (Rob: I'll have a try
> if
> > you want...)
> >
> > 2. oa:Set and probably oa:List can profitably be applied to  a
> collection of
> > oa:Annotations.  The use case is actionable annotations that are
> delivered
> > to remote agents,  and upon which collections of expected actions must
> > taken, possibly in a prescribed order.  This is particularly needed when
> > actionable annotations will generate response annotations (e.g. "Agent
> Smart
> > accepted all of your corrections in the oa:Set :mySet1 except the oa:item
> > :mySet1.item10.").  If a collection of actionable annotations travels in
> a
> > disconnected fashion, the annotation publisher can not easily (at all?)
> > convey that a coordinated action is desired.  There may be an argument
> for
> > ao:XOR on collections of annotations also.  It's likely that none of
> these
> > collection types should be restricted to Target, Body, and Specifiers,
> as is
> > perhaps being suggested in [1]
> >
> > 3.  Probably oa:List objects cannot(?) survive being put in a triple
> store,
> > since order of identified nodes is not defined in the graph. [2] is a
> > proposal to address the issue, but it is unclear how much traction it
> has.
> > This means that  processing order for oa:List will depend on the
> > serialization, not on the RDF.  I vaguely recall this was raised in
> Chicago,
> > perhaps tabled for more discussion.
> >
> > [1]
> >
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-openannotation/2012Oct/0004.html#start4
> > [2] http://www.w3.org/2009/12/rdf-ws/papers/ws14
> >
> > Bob Morris
> >
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