- From: <dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie>
- Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:36:03 -0700
- To: public-ontolex@w3.org, alfredo Maldonado Guerra <maldonaa@tcd.ie>
- Message-ID: <544EACB3.7080108@cs.tcd.ie>
Hi Jorge, All,
Tracking this remotely and sporadically, so apologies in advance if I
raises issues already resolved.
In your example Jorge, you annotate the prov:activity with the
confidence score:
#PROVENANCE
:tranSetEN-ES a prov:Entity .
:ApertiumLMF_EN-ES a prov:Entity ;
owl:sameAs <http://hdl.handle.net/10230/17110> .
:ApertiumLMF_EN-ES_Creators a prov:Agent .
:tranSetEN-ES prov:wasDerivedFrom :ApertiumLMF_EN-ES .
:translation a prov:Activity ;
prov:generated :ApertiumLMF_EN-ES ;
prog:agent :ApertiumLMF_EN-ES_Creators ;
:hasConfidenceDegree 1.0 .
However, does that not mean you have to have a separate activity for
each sense translation, since each could have a separate confidence?
This would cause issues in likely scenarios where the same agent
translates many senses, each with a different confidence degree. Similar
issues might arise if you have multiple Translations in your
TranslationSet, each with different confidence degrees.
In previous thread:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ontolex/2014May/0030.html
Philip, correctly in my opinion, identified that the confidence value,
in this case 'hasConfidenceDegree' should be an attribute of the
association of between the translated senses, i.e. the
vartran:Translation object, in this case :bench_banco-trans
However, if I'm interpreting the example correctly, you want to keep the
provenance data, including the confidence degree, somewhat separate from
the transet. This makes sense from a data management point of view.
One way to do that, again in reference to the above thread, is to
capture the translation relationship as a
http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-o/#wasDerivedFrom relationship between the
target and source senses, and reify it with the
http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-o/#Derivation, using the 'qualify' pattern
used in prov-o. This could be linked to the transset using an owl:sameAs
and this Derivation, rather than the prov:Activity, would have the
'hasConfidenceDegree'.
happy to work more on an example if you think this is worth pursuing.
cheers,
Dave
On 24/10/2014 06:58, Jorge Gracia wrote:
> Hi Philipp, all
>
> My apologies, my meeting started later than expected and I could not
> escape for the telco. I will continue elaborating the example I sent
> (actually, I've just spotted an error).
>
> Regards,
> Jorge
>
> 2014-10-24 14:06 GMT+02:00 Jorge Gracia <jgracia@fi.upm.es
> <mailto:jgracia@fi.upm.es>>:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I added a (still unfinished!) example of the potential usage of
> PROV-O for representing translation confidence in the wiki, at the
> bottom of the "translation" section
> https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Final_Model_Specification#Translation
>
> Talk to you later,
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
> 2014-10-24 13:00 GMT+02:00 Manuel Fiorelli
> <manuel.fiorelli@gmail.com <mailto:manuel.fiorelli@gmail.com>>:
>
> Dear Philipp
>
> I have no issue in anticipating the discussion on LIME.
>
> Il 24/ott/2014 09:13 "Armando Stellato"
> <stellato@info.uniroma2.it <mailto:stellato@info.uniroma2.it>>
> ha scritto:
>
> Dear Philipp,
>
> for me it would be more than perfect, as today it would
> have been really hard to participate to the whole session
> due to an urgent deadline. Knowing it in advance, I can
> participate at 15:00 and maybe bail out by 15:30.
>
> Think no issue for Manuel as well.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Armando
>
> *Da:*Philipp Cimiano
> [mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
> <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>]
> *Inviato:* giovedì 23 ottobre 2014 21:44
> *A:* public-ontolex@w3.org <mailto:public-ontolex@w3.org>
> *Oggetto:* Re: telco on Friday
>
> Hi Jorge,
>
> sure, we can move the point to 15:30 and start with the
> metadata module, but for that I need input from Armando
> and Manuel. Let's see if I get something by tomorrow. I
> will then send an invitation to the telco at short notice.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Philipp.
>
> Am 22.10.14 14:45, schrieb Jorge Gracia:
>
> Dear Philipp, all,
>
> Would it be possible to move the translation metadata
> example as last point in the agenda? This Firiday I
> will connect around half an hour later due to an
> overlap with another meeting. (I'll try to have the
> example ready by then)
>
> Regards,
> Jorge
>
> El 22/10/2014 14:04, "Philipp Cimiano"
> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
> <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>> escribió:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I propose we devote the telco on Friday to the
> metadata module; if people contribute in time, I
> would like to discuss the following:
>
> 1) Metadata about translation to represent
> confidence, source, etc: Jorge wanted to prepare
> an example
>
> 2) lime examples: Armando, Manuel: can you look in
> detail at my two examples from last week and send
> modified examples around so that we can discuss them?
>
> 3) variation and translation module: discuss input
> from Elena (if she is present)
>
> Please let me know if you can prepare the exaples
> until Friday to discuss them.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Philipp.
>
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> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>
> AG Semantic Computing
>
> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)
>
> Universität Bielefeld
>
>
>
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> Artificial Intelligence Department
> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
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>
>
>
> --
> Jorge Gracia, PhD
> Ontology Engineering Group
> Artificial Intelligence Department
> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/
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