- From: Philipp Cimiano <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
- Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 14:01:00 +0200
- To: public-ontolex@w3.org
- Message-ID: <54479C7C.3070208@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
Jorge, all, great. Can we discuss the example on Friday? Philipp. Am 17.10.14 17:30, schrieb Jorge Gracia: > Hi Philipp, > > > rethinking this, my feeling would be that we recommend the use of > the PROV-O vocabulary to add an an activity and or > > agent that produces the Translation.This can be an algorithm of > course. Human validation should be another type of activity. > > We have not comment on this during the telco... but in principle this > sounds good to me. Let me try to set up an example by next week and > let's see how it looks like... > > Regards, > Jorge > > 2014-10-17 11:46 GMT+02:00 Philipp Cimiano > <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de > <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>>: > > Jorge, all, > > rethinking this, my feeling would be that we recommend the use of > the PROV-O vocabulary to add an an activity and or agent that > produces the Translation. > This can be an algorithm of course. Human validation should be > another type of activity. > > So maybe this is not a case for adding new vocabulary, but showing > how to use PROV-O in the context of ontolex to add such metadata. > The confidence should be in my view also a confidence of the > algorihtm or human that produced the translation. As such, there > could be even different confidences by different agents on the > same Translation, is that correct? > > Regards, > > Philipp. > > Am 16.10.14 12:34, schrieb John P. McCrae: >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Jorge Gracia <jgracia@fi.upm.es >> <mailto:jgracia@fi.upm.es>> wrote: >> >> Dear Philipp, all, >> >> I have removed the inter/intralingual variants form the wiki >> final specification (as we already agreed on that) and done >> some cleaning in the Vartrans module (fix wrong prefixes and >> stuff like that). >> >> I would add a couple of minor bullets in the agenda, for the >> Vartrans module: >> - Find a name for a superproperty of vartrans:source and >> vartrans:target to be used in case the directionality of the >> variation relation is not known or it is not important. >> - Possibility of adding a couple of properties to Translation >> such as confidence degree or a boolean indicating whether it >> is human validated, for instance. >> >> I think we agreed to keep this as a data category, as it is very >> hard to define 'confidence' in general >> >> Regards, >> John >> >> >> Regards, >> Jorge >> >> 2014-10-16 9:32 GMT+02:00 Philipp Cimiano >> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >> <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>>: >> >> Dear all, >> >> this is a gentle reminder that we will have our weekly >> ontolex teleconference on Friday, 15:00. >> I will circulate access details by latest tomorrow. >> >> Here are the main agenda points (taken from John's email): >> >> Core: >> >> * In core there is now a 'SenseLexicon' class but no >> property to relate it any other elements in the model >> * We could/should consider using dct:language instead >> of ontolex:languageURI >> * We cannot give conditions when a Lexical Sense should >> apply (lemon had a condition property for this) >> * It would be useful to indicate when a mapping is >> dependent on the range or domain of a property (possibly) >> * Should we add subclasses of LexicalEntry as follows >> Word, MultiWordExpression, Affix? >> >> Syntax and Semantics >> >> * There is no property to indicate the conjugation >> (morphological pattern) of a word >> >> Variation >> >> * Lexical Variant is defined between either forms /or/ >> lexical entries... there should be a class that is >> only for forms and a class that is only for entries >> * All variants are specified only in their 'reified' >> form, do we want to allow users to directly state >> variation between two entries (or forms or senses) >> with a single triple? >> * Are the Interlingual-/IntralingualVariant classes >> necessary? >> >> Metadata >> >> * There is no link between the metadata module and any >> other module in OntoLex >> * The Lexicon class is a duplicate of one already in >> the core >> * The language property is a duplicate of one defined >> in the core >> * ConceptualizedLinguisticResource is not used by any >> other part of module >> * The 'lexical link set' class and property are not >> used by any other part of the module >> * Several properties are named the same as classes >> except for the case of the first letter: >> resourceCoverage, language, lexicalLinkSet and >> lexicalization >> * Is the 'linguistic model' really required by every >> lexicalization? >> >> >> Please check also the examples on the metadata module >> that I will send today. >> >> We should also discuss the issue brought up by Francesca. >> My feeling is also that it is akward to see anonyms as >> "variants". They are clearly semantic relations that we >> should not specify further. So we could think about >> introducing a generic "senseRelation". >> >> On the issue of variation that John raises: we could add >> two classes LexicalFormVariant and LexicalSenseVariant; >> the interlingual and intralingual variants we agreed to >> leave out of the model. But we wanted to keep translation >> as a subclass of LexicalSenseVariant I think. >> >> Talk to you tomorrow, >> >> Philipp. >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano >> AG Semantic Computing >> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) >> Universität Bielefeld >> >> Tel:+49 521 106 12249 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%2012249> >> Fax:+49 521 106 6560 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%206560> >> Mail:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> >> >> Office CITEC-2.307 >> Universitätsstr. 21-25 >> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW >> Germany >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jorge Gracia, PhD >> Ontology Engineering Group >> Artificial Intelligence Department >> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid >> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/ >> >> > > -- > -- > Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano > AG Semantic Computing > Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) > Universität Bielefeld > > Tel:+49 521 106 12249 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%2012249> > Fax:+49 521 106 6560 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%206560> > Mail:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> > > Office CITEC-2.307 > Universitätsstr. 21-25 > 33615 Bielefeld, NRW > Germany > > > > > -- > Jorge Gracia, PhD > Ontology Engineering Group > Artificial Intelligence Department > Universidad Politécnica de Madrid > http://jogracia.url.ph/web/ -- -- Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano AG Semantic Computing Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) Universität Bielefeld Tel: +49 521 106 12249 Fax: +49 521 106 6560 Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de Office CITEC-2.307 Universitätsstr. 21-25 33615 Bielefeld, NRW Germany
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